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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by nmetro, Jun 14, 2007.
The more and more I think about this, I am glad Dish is sticking to its guns. Once the onsluaght of every conference wanting to be placed nationally takes hold this whole thing will be out of control.
Well i guess me and mom have made a deal that she walks around ohio states campus while i watch the game saturday in Person. I want BTN to keep fighting to get on Dish Network, Because i see on Sept 8th Miami Of Ohio(which i live 12 miles from) is playing at a Big Ten School. Will some of the Miami of ohio fans get to watch that game no. because Charle Ergin does not have a heart.
Well, at least someone understands the consequences of providers caving to these guys!
Sounds like a good deal to me. Although I know the Big Ten is the best conference( )I wouldn't mind seeing some SEC conference games or some PAC 10 teams I rarely get to see.
All the talk of every conference getting a network is a little premature. There are only a few that COULD pull it off. The BCS conferences at best.
I seriously doubt a conference usa channel or sun belt is in the works.
I know the SEC is looking hard at it after the current contracts run out with CBS and ESPN. Most likely what will happen is CBS and ESPN keep contracts with these schools, and overflow games and games that were on LF would be on the network. I think thats the idea with BTN also, just sub in the tv channels that they normally play on
i see on the ohio state Basketball schedule that most of their home games is on BTN,
and some of the big ten tournement. The Basketball fans will miss out on those games also. Such a shame.
The residents of Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin (sports fans, Dish Network customers) might defect this fall for DirecTV, but Hoosier and Boiler fans will wait until basketball season to see if the BTN has been added to the Dish lineup.
Because of the cost of this one channel. Because it is precedent setting. Being afraid of becoming to high priced to compete.
Since D* and E* have national pricing due to national delivery something like BTN is worse for them then for a cable company that only has to pay for it in a limited area. Now if BTN said to carry us you have to put us on all the cable systems you own that would be different.
The difference between DirecTV and Dishnetwork as I see it, and it is an opinion based on my observations. The big difference seems to be a provider comes to D* and says we want this and D* says , What the heck we'll just pass it on. Oh Dear Subscriber by the way "BOHICA".
When Charlie innovated. The Dishplayer 7100 as the first integrated Satellite Box with built-in DVR, D* followed. Charlie first dual tuner dual individual feeds to two TV sets. As I remember it, charlie was easier for Distant locals. When D* finally started offering locals the compression got so bad some channles were not watchable. D* has never been afraid to blow their own horn. Locals causing overcompression is not the only time D* has added content where they really didn't have enough bandwidth. Last years fiasco of removing a channel that more subs had to make room for NFL.
Put the Illini in that group also. Illinois is definitely a basketball state.
Having been an E* subscriber for 11 years and on the verge of switching to D* (if they can ever come out to do the install!), I think it's simpler than that:
Charlie runs E* the way he wants to -- that means paying what he thinks he should pay and nothing more. He is making decisions based on his wishes, not the wishes of his subscribers, IMHO.
I think a lot of people are looking at this thing emotionally, and if they're Big 10 college football fans, that's easy to understand. But I really think that E* is deciding this issue the way I'd guess they decide most of them - with a spreadsheet.
In the old, glory days, it was more about market share, IMHO. E* grabbed lots of new channels to lure lots of new customers to help recoup its satellite investment while ringing up lots of debt. Now E* is paying off that debt, and my guess is that market share isn't that big a factor any more. Which leaves the following question:
How much will the new channel cost E*? (Total, with subs x fees) How many new subs will it bring in?
- - vs.
How many subs will leave without the new channel? How much profit will E* lose as a result?
When E*'s bottom line is better off with a channel than without it, that's when we'll see it added.
But is D* truly passing this along? If so, I would expect their pricing to be much higher than E*'s. Eleven years ago when I became an E* customer, the value proposition was strongly in E*'s favor. I haven't broken down the numbers lately, but I believe the consensus is the two satellite providers are now very comparably priced? If so, that suggests D* is providing more value to its customer base, at least from a programming perspective, than is E*. That is assuming a reasonably equivalent channel offering between the two, save for the channels Charlie has not (will not?) added.
So what's the verdict, Heisman? I seem to recall you were going to switch to DirecTV if Dish didn't pick up BTN. Are you making the switch?
Hey, what's up RC? The verdict is: http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1071842&postcount=370
Sounds like you got a great deal. Glad to hear you made the switch.
It is obvious why D has the BTN when you look into who some of the big investors are in the BTN.
"When the Big Ten started a television channel with Fox, the league's athletic departments locked in what is believed to be multimillion-dollar cash guarantees that they said served a good cause: less dependence on schools' general funds.
But the partner providing that guaranteed money is Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox, who once famously described sports programming as a "battering ram" for his business interests."
Leaving Iowa, Minnesota, and Illinios outta the mix eh?
Comcast is running ads saying they have the Big Ten and then they refer to the coverage on ESPN, ABC, etc.
It aln't the same. No Penn State without The Big Ten Network this week.
One does need to remember that in the past with the syndication deals there would be no Penn State either, some weeks.
Thats How dish Network is responding that they also have Big ten. I feel for all big ten areas that won't get to watch their games.