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  1. Sep 7, 2007 #541 of 572
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    I will narrow the definition of everyone to BTN and Dish Network.

    When you sub to an MVP, there are always channels that many subs could care
    less about. With Dish keeping BTN out of the low margin 29.99 package, my
    speculation is that Dish will have a net positive by retaining higher margin subs
    who cannot live without BTN.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2007 #542 of 572
    nmetro

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    For the record, they are:

    University of Illinois
    Indiana University
    University of Iowa
    University of Michigan
    Michigan State University
    University of Minnesota
    Northwestern University
    The Ohio State University
    The Pennsylvania State University
    Purdue University
    University of Wisconsin
     
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #543 of 572
    Bubba3

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    We Are........................Penn State!
     
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    ROTF .....:lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  5. Sep 7, 2007 #545 of 572
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    I don't see D* dropping BTN nationally. The whole reason they picked it up in the first place is due to their ownership connection to News Corp. Since Fox also owns 49% of BTN, the corporation had D* pick up BTN immediately so they could bolster the network's "national" carriage from their initial announcement.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2007 #546 of 572
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    Fox/News Corp. has an agreement to sell its stake in DirecTV to Liberty Media, pending regulatory approval.

    Although I would not be completely surprised if DirecTV moved the BTN to a sports tier out of market, I would not expect it because the BTN's asking price out of market is fairly cheap and DirecTV has the potential to gain new subscribers from cable companies (and to a lesser extent Dish customers) who are not carrying the BTN out of market or on a higher tier. The fact that DirecTV placed the BTN channel next to the ESPNs and NFL Network sends a message that DirecTV will not relegate the BTN to RSN status in the near future.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2007 #547 of 572
    elbodude

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    Big 11
     
  8. Sep 7, 2007 #548 of 572
    James Long

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    That's priceless. D* isn't losing to E*, they are just not bothering to compete. :grin:

    It smacks of fraud to ignore E*'s price list. HD and locals are $34.99 via E*. If you would also like the 33 video and 64 audio that upgrading to AT200 brings you then you can pay $67.99 (vs $59.98 for less channels - currently 24 video, 47 audio and 30 HD more channels on E* for that $8).

    Today the price is $114.99 vs $109.98 . You can bet that in 2008 D* won't be selling Premier with HD for $110. :)


    Whether or not BTN stays national on D* ... E*'s deal opens the door.
     
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    Who is losing:

    E* year to date earnings for period ending 6/30/07 - $381 Million
    D* year to date earnings for period ending 6/30/07 - $784 Million

    D* earnings ratio over E* 206 percent

    E* year to date gross revenue for p/e 6/30/07 - $5.4 Billion
    D* year to date gross revenue for p/e 6/30/07 $8.0 Billion

    D* revenue ratio over E* 148 percent

    E* total subs at 6/30/07 13.6 Billion
    D* total subs at 6/30/07 16.3 Billion

    D* sub ratio over E* 120 percent

    E* keeps gaining subs on D* but D* is more than twice as profitable.
    Lets see if E can make a dent in the 206 percent ratio next quarter.
    D* is not in the low margin price range.

    E* with AEP, HD, locals and sports pak is $120.98 right now. D* is $109.98.
    BTN on E* with locals and HD is $59.99 and D* is $59.98 end of story.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2007 #550 of 572
    msmith198025

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    i think u meant millions on subs, not billions.
     
  11. Sep 7, 2007 #551 of 572
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    good catch
     
  12. Sep 7, 2007 #552 of 572
    James Long

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    Sorry for waking the troll. :rolleyes:

    Years in business? Number of quarters that were not profitable in the past five years? D* has done well recently ... but such has not been the case until recently. And unless you are a shareholder how profitable the company is really isn't the issue.

    Winning customers - despite all the gloom and doom predictions. :)
     
  13. Sep 7, 2007 #553 of 572
    nmetro

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    The real gloom and doom will come to D* subscribers, if Liberty Media purchases them, Do you remember TCI Cable? If was TCI's poor service that was a major catalyst for the launching of DISH Network. While I have read several DISH horror stories, nothing was worse than what one had to put up with than TCI. I suspect that D* folks will learn that rather quickly. Finally, for those who think Charlie is cheap, Malone makes Charlie look like the most generous person on the planet.
     
  14. Sep 7, 2007 #554 of 572
    Paul Secic

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    I'm shocked & mad. Watch for a BIG rate next year!
     
  15. Sep 7, 2007 #555 of 572
    nmetro

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    More than likely, if there is a rate increase, it will be similar to this year's. Also, the rate increase would occur due to inflation, the addition of new programming and HD content. It looks like BTN will not be thrusted upon all subscribers, based upon the press release.

    Those, who live outside the Big 10 states will most likely have to subscribe to all the RSNs to get the channel (this is why the word "preview" is mentioned in the press release). An example of a preview was access to Setanta Sports for the past month or so. Also, college sports are not subject to the blackout rules as pro teams are, and the Big 10 has agreements with ABC and ESPN to allow BTN games to be shown as second tier to what ABC/ESPN chooses to air. This is why the Wisconsin game was shown on the ESPN alternate last Saturday. Finally, if worse come to worse, BTN could be offered ala-carte like Setanta, but this would be highly unlikely.
     
  16. Sep 7, 2007 #556 of 572
    Lord Vader

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    Malone is also a big fan of TIVO, too. There have been reports that he'd like to re-energize the TIVO and DirecTV relationship.
     
  17. Sep 7, 2007 #557 of 572
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    Update from the BTN FAQ

     
  18. Sep 7, 2007 #558 of 572
    James Long

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    Nice to see in print.

    "Yet to be determined level." Interesting.
     
  19. Sep 7, 2007 #559 of 572
    jacmyoung

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    Here is the key, when you gain more new subs, the cost goes up. Of course there are many other factors when it comes to earning.

    But if you really want to compare their finiancials, why conviniently leave out their YTD stock performance?
     
  20. Sep 7, 2007 #560 of 572
    Stewart Vernon

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    Gross revenue does not reflect profit either. If DirecTV spends proportionally more than Dish does for the same or more subscribers, then even with higher gross revenue DirecTV may not be as profitable as Dish. Without listing expenditures, gross revenue is a useless statistic.

    We know DirecTV spends way more on advertising than Dish does.. and we also know of at least one lawsuit recently where DirecTV settled, but Dish fought and won... so that is another area where Dish spent less money this year.

    I would not be surprised to see Dish at the same or higher level of profitability even with less subscribers.
     
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