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  1. Jun 27, 2007 #61 of 572
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    The cable and satellite Nielsen ratings for baseball RSNs around the US is very low. 1-2% on many nights. YES is higher than the average RSN and supposedly the highest. The local interest in STO is probably the same for a baseball channel in most other markets. However, when 200 channels are offered, there are many other non baseball channels with much lower ratings and lower per subscriber
    costs. Since Dish does provide baseball RSNs in most markets, the addition
    of STO is not unexpected. The BTN is a new expensive concept. Maybe Dish
    will feel compelled to offer it because they do not offer Sunday ticket, MLB EI,
    Setanta, YES, Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia, HD RSNs in many markets, etc. Or maybe Dish will decide it is too expensive. I do not think the addition of STO is
    an indication of where Dish is going.
     
  2. Jun 27, 2007 #62 of 572
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    I just threw my email in for support of the channel. If BTN wanted 1.10 a sub in midwest and .10 elsewhere it couldn't be anywhere near what NFL got per sub nationwide. Anybody did any figuring on that? HMMMM
     
  3. Jun 28, 2007 #63 of 572
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    BTN wil be a RSN?

    If so why should I as a eastcoaster have any fee attached to its carriage?

    IOWs they can charge for people that are in their area but shouldn't charge for every subscriber.

    That is one disadvantage for satellite vs cable. Each system only covers part of the country and can pay in one locale and not on another system in a different local. E* and D* cover the country.

    If E* & D* have to pay for everybody then everybody needs to get the channel.

    And I could have totally misunderstood the situation too.
     
  4. Jun 28, 2007 #64 of 572
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    At least in D*s case the BTN will be in the Total Choice Plus packages and above. So everyone will be getting it.
     
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    The concept of BTN is that it is a college sports RSN for eight states, plus they want carriage in the other 42 states on a basic tier for 10 cents per subscriber.
    One of those eight states is Pennysylvania, our neighbor. I am not sure what
    the proposal to Comcast is, but it sounds like BTN is requiring Comcast to put
    it in expanded basic for all the other 42 states that Comcast services.
     
  6. Jun 28, 2007 #66 of 572
    James Long

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    The "Total" packages ended earlier this year ... and TC+ wasn't the low end. The low end is now called "Choice" ($49.99) ... TC+ is now "Choice Xtra" ($54.99) with "Choice Plus" being Choice Xtra plus DVR service (for $59.99).

    Based on the statement on the Big Ten Network website: "DIRECTV has signed on as first affiliate and will deliver the Network at launch to subscribers of its Total Choice package;" that would translate to it being in D*'s lowest tier ("Choice"). So you are right and wrong at the same time. :)

    If E* adds it it will likely be in E*'s $42.99 package. BTN may be having the same problems as YES demanding "lowest tier" placement ($29.99). That is not going to happen (for either network).
     
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    *Anecdotal* evidence points to DirecTV and cable trouncing Dish in NYC and area, and why not? If the cable and DBS options (excluding Dish's $19.99 mini plan) all cost around the same, I would expect consumers to pick a plan with YES included, even if they are not big baseball fans. Unfortunately, I have never seen detailed info on sub percentages in NYC and area, and Dish / DirecTV don't volunteer this info.

    It has also been stated that the lowest DBS penetration rates in the country are in Philadelphia, where the local sports channel is unavailable to DBS. Sports *do* matter for market share more than some here would like to think ...
     
  8. Jun 28, 2007 #68 of 572
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    But from anecdotal evidence Dish is far far behind DirecTV in Yankees territory. If RSNs were really optional, Dish would just drop all of them, but obviously they haven't because for many local subs the local RSN is a requirement.

    Note that I do agree than the BTN demands are ridiculous. $1.10/mo. for bottom tier football and basketball, with a healthy dose of non-revenue sports.
     
  9. Jun 28, 2007 #69 of 572
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    I'd counter that the BTN will show about the same content as ESPNU (some football and basketball not picked up by ABC / CBS / ESPN / ESPN2, and a lot of minor non-revenue sports). If I recall ESPNU cost around $0.10 a sub, so I'll be generous and say this channel is worth no more than $0.25 a month. Remember this channel is showing games like Florida Intertnational vs. Penn State, not Ohio State vs. Michigan.
     
  10. Jun 28, 2007 #70 of 572
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    The BTN will carry more games then ESPNU currently carries because it will also pick up all of the regional games that were called ESPN+. It will also allow for viewing of multiple games on multiple channels if the carrier decides to dedicate the bandwidth like DirecTV has decided to do. It will be in HD and it will have video on demand as well as podcasting. As far as I know, none of this can be said for ESPNU.

    I don't think it is really a comparison to ESPNU at all other than the fact that it focuses on college athletics. It is more of a comparison to Fox Region or Comcast Regional with some added capability.
     
  11. Jun 28, 2007 #71 of 572
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    Dish also provides Fox Regional Sports as well and Fox is a majority owner in the BTN. The BTN is also about 2/3rds the cost of FSN, so I would not consider that an expensive concept. Some of the other channels you mention (Comcast Sportsnet, YES) are nearly 75% to 100% higher than the BTN. Now that is an expensive concept. They most likely will be compelled to offer it because the price will justify the content and value to the subscriber base.

    I seems like you are making stuff up as you go. That is the end of this topic for me.
     
  12. Jun 28, 2007 #72 of 572
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    I too don't want higher rates due to a neiche Sport ch. I resubed to AT 250 because it has lots of movies: Encore, TMC. Sports nets such as Soccar & tennis should be placed in Sports pak.
     
  13. Jun 28, 2007 #73 of 572
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    The only requirement is that they sell service to someone. In this case, 13 million someones.

    E* is likely doing better because they have the RSNs they have ... but I refuse to label ANY channel as must have, because every time someone picks a channel or service that E*can't live without they end up being wrong.

    E* doesn't have NFL Sunday Ticket, they lost MLB Extra Innings, they are behind on HD RSNs and locals and they lost distant networks (including significantly viewed) --- yet they survive. They have given up channels more often that I care to remember in negotiations --- yet they survive. And more than survive, they are adding more subs per quarter than D*.

    Anecdotal evidence is that they are doing fine. :)
     
  14. Jun 28, 2007 #74 of 572
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    OK, Mr. Long expressed an opinion that Dish is doing just fine without YES Network. I offered the opinion that Dish is not doing particularly well in the New York area (though nationally I agree they are doing quite well :) ).

    I added that if Dish really thought they could make more money by dropping all of the RSNs and marketing themselves only to the the non-sports market (or anti-sports market) they would have been smart enough to have already done so. The fact that they have not done this, and in fact have added Comcast-Chicago, MASN, Sportsnet-New York, NFL Network, and ESPNU in the recent past says that they do consider sports channels important. The fact they have not picked up YES says that Dish does have limits for what they will pay for sports. We will see if Dish thinks $1.10 for the BTN is reasonable.

    I'm not clear what I am "making up as I go." I'm just voicing an opinion (from a sports fan and PSU grad) that the BTN is overpriced. I guess that we'll have to disagree on that one.
     
  15. Jun 28, 2007 #75 of 572
    James Long

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    E* is likely "in negotiations" as they often are. Just don't forget that the other RSNs are AT200 and above and only in their own RSN area (except a few customers who pay extra to see everything except blacked out content). $3 or $4 per customer who is paying $5 or $13 more to upgrade AT100 to AT200 isn't bad.

    It appears BTN wants more ... if they are demanding the AT100 level then E* collects zero dollars more per customer and pays a lot. The $1 per customer in 8 states adds up, but the 10c per every customer in the US is a lot of money on it's own. That frames the decision - is the channel worth $2 million or more a year to E*?

    The NFL Network would be a better comparison. Somehow they came up with a price E* could accept and everyone gets the channel. Part of that may be just so E* can say they have football, but whatever the deal is E* saw enough value to make the buy.

    They will probably end up with BTN ... perhaps even at AT100 ... right now isn't the time to cave in and pay whatever BTN wants (the way D* negotiates - just send them the bill and they will pass the non-savings on to the customer). E* will get a good deal ... at minimum the ability to put BTN in AT200 instead of AT100 (if they wish).

    Or perhaps the deal is done and they just not have announced it. Not likely but possible!
     
  16. Jun 29, 2007 #76 of 572
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    Thought you guys may like this, its an article on my local news about pushing for the Big Ten Network on comcast here in pa, the comissioner wants it to be put on basic cable, but Comcast wants their big money for a package. It also says Direct TV has plans for it already, how about Dish Network? I would love this channel, whats the latest? Oh yeah heres the article.

    http://www.abc27.com/news/stories/0607/435056.html
     
  17. Jun 29, 2007 #77 of 572
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    Comcast doesn't want to have to pay $1.10 for every subscriber in Pennsylvania. While the BTN might have decent share in central PA, it's appeal is not so apparent in Philly or Pittsburgh. Especially since Comcast in headquartered in Philadelphia, the executives making the decisions are quite aware of the BTN's limited appeal where they live.
     
  18. Jun 29, 2007 #78 of 572
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    I'll bet right now that DISH won't carry it unless they drop the price to a dime or so per customer!
     
  19. Jun 29, 2007 #79 of 572
    James Long

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    BTN is having some problems with Comcast ... there is even a link to the following on the BTN homepage -
    Delany calls on Comcast to apologize
    It seems that Comcast insulted the schools.

    BTW: BTN isn't anywhere yet ... so it is just a promise of being worth the money.
     
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