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  1. Jul 3, 2007 #101 of 572
    James Long

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    The network doesn't even light up for nearly two months. There will be more announcements when the time is right.

    It doesn't surprise me that D* made an early announcement. They are good at announcing channels that they will eventually have. E* tends to announce channels the day after they are available. Different ways of promoting.
     
  2. Jul 3, 2007 #102 of 572
    mhowie

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    And lose prospective customers during these periods? Brilliant promotional tactics.
     
  3. Jul 4, 2007 #103 of 572
    James Long

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    Better than making promises that are not met. They have tried that too! :D
     
  4. Jul 4, 2007 #104 of 572
    jimborst

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    If they think these cable systems are going to support them, I expect they'll be out of business in a year. Most of the ones I see here are smaller towns in Iowa. For example Spencer Municipal utilities, about 11,000 population, MediaCom also in town not to mention Dish and Direct TV subs. Harlan a little smaller, and Alta a town of less than 1000. I don't know all but that doesn't look like much of a list!
     
  5. Jul 4, 2007 #105 of 572
    colavsfaninnwia

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    Its still too early to know who all will be carrying this channel at launch.
     
  6. Jul 4, 2007 #106 of 572
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    They will not be out of business in one year. There are no professional athlete
    salaries to support. The Universities are not going out of business. The new network can afford to have a lower subscription its first year. In later years, the new Network will have an exclusive on the 2007 Disney programming. Lets say
    theoretically, no other multi video providers sign on the first year. The subs
    that really want the programming will sign up with Directv in 2007. The Universities already have a 2007 revenue stream from Disney (ABC and ESPN).
    When the Disney contracts expire, more subs will sign up with Directv, and some
    other larger multi video providers will pick up BTN.
     
  7. Jul 4, 2007 #107 of 572
    DCSholtis

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    Agreed the BTN will not be going out of business anytime soon, least not with a 10 year contract that they currently have. (Big Ten just signed a new 10 year contract with ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 and I believe the Big Ten Network contract is even longer, 20 years I believe.)
     
  8. Jul 4, 2007 #108 of 572
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    yeah that is true, but most of these local telco's serve the same towns as the big guys. and to a big 10 fan, if you have a choice of switching to in our local case Consolidated Communications over Mediacom (the 800 lb gorrila) They'll switch in a heartbeat.

    * Altatec Alta Municipal Utility
    * Cedar Falls Utilities, Celect Communications
    * Consolidated Communications Network Services
    * City of Wadsworth Cable TV
    * Dixon Telephone Company
    * Grundy Center Municipal
    * Harlan Municipal Utilities
    * Hiawatha Broadband
    * Horizon Telecom
    * Independence Communications
    * Iowa Network Services
    * Mid-Century Communications
    * Moultrie Telecommunications
    * Muscatine Power & Water
    * Oneida Cablevision
    * Spencer Municipal Utilities
    * The Community Agency and USA Communications

    also Consolidated is a national company, and I would assume that the agreement is for their service in Illinois, AND in Texas.
     
  9. Jul 4, 2007 #109 of 572
    jhamps10

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    also to add this to the disco, CSN chicago, which is on dish network, and has been since very close to their day 1 Charges TRIPLE the in-confrence rate of what BTN wants for subs within 150 miles of Chicago, and Double of that rate to everyone else.

    or 3.75 per sub for those within 150 miles, and 2 bucks per sub for everyone else.

    Where as BTN is wanting 1.10 per sub in confrence, and .10 per sub for out of confrence subs. Folks, that totally blows the theroy that dish thinks it is too expensive.
     
  10. Jul 4, 2007 #110 of 572
    James Long

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    The fight may well be over AT200 vs AT100. If BTN is demanding AT100 placement that would cost E* a lot more money than being placed at AT200. "Too expensive" may still apply.

    It appears from Comcast's statements that BTN is not requiring placement in the lowest tier ... they just want to be in the "expanded basic" package instead of a sports tier. In my mind that places the channel in AT200 ... along side CSTV (and ESPN Classic and Speed) plus at the level where RSNs are included. In addition, it is reported that BTN will be on D* in the "Total Choice Plus" package ... with naming, price and content changes TC+ has become "Choice Xtra", a $54.99 package. Choice Xtra is actually more comparable to AT250 on E* (CX is $3 less with 33 less video and 48 less audio channels) than AT200 on E* (CX is $7 more with 7 more video and 29 less audio channels). If BTN accepts "expanded basic" on Comcast and "Choice Xtra" on D* I hope they are not refusing to accept AT200 on E*.

    BTN needs to price themselves the same as CSTV ... a comparable network ... and accept AT200 placement. It appears that placement isn't an issue (unless they are holding E* to a higher standard than D* and Comcast). What is left is that their price is too high. Are they asking for more money than CSTV?

    BTN likes to compare itself against popular professional sports RSNs but the truth remains that BTN is not a popular professional sports RSN.
     
  11. Jul 4, 2007 #111 of 572
    mhowie

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    With the poor product often provided by the RSN pro sports (NBA in particular), I would submit there are many who would choose BTN (or its equivalent depending on the part of country) over the pro sports content on one's RSN.
     
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    I always thought that AT100+ was comparable to Comcast's expanded basic.
    Cable expanded basic generally means 90 percent of subs. If BTN has accepted
    D's CX, the comparable Dish tier of AT100+, 200 or 250 will be defined by
    the percentage of Dish subs that is comparable to D's CX.

    Although I have no information to support which is more popular, my intuition
    tells me that pro sports RSNs have a larger audience than college sports RSNs.
    However, when the Disney contracts expire and BTN has the number one
    event, the ratings for that event may exceed the ratings for pro RSNs in the prime BTN markets.
     
  13. Jul 5, 2007 #113 of 572
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    It's still foggy too how the HD BTN channels and the secondary feeds are going to be handled. It might be simple to put the SD on AT200, but carrying the HD feed might be a different story? Or would they just add the HD feed for free with the current 25 HD channel HD package because it is being paid for in the AT200 package?
     
  14. Jul 7, 2007 #114 of 572
    caseymeeps

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    Does anyone have any new information re Dish picking up BTN?
     
  15. Jul 8, 2007 #115 of 572
    Codeman00

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    I just received an email today from Dish that said this:

     
  16. Jul 8, 2007 #116 of 572
    caseymeeps

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    Thanks. I guess by closer to the launch date they mean after football season has started...
     
  17. Jul 8, 2007 #117 of 572
    James Long

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    They have seven weeks to sign a contract without missing a day. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Jul 8, 2007 #118 of 572
    iublue

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    Did anyone else get and email from Dish? I have emailed them twice about the BTN and did not get a response either time.

    Maybe they don't like IU fans. VBG

    Maybe I should email them again.
     
  19. Jul 8, 2007 #119 of 572
    Codeman00

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    And this was another response from the normal Dish website email address:

     
  20. Jul 9, 2007 #120 of 572
    Mojito05

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    Below is the response I received. It's pretty much the same as Codeman00's, but at least it was acknowledged, I guess. Unless, that is, they're using a Dishbot to answer BTN-related questions. Lame.

     
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