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  1. Jul 9, 2007 #121 of 572
    James Long

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    What to you expect? There are only so many ways of saying "in negotiations".
     
  2. Jul 9, 2007 #122 of 572
    terfmop

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    Dish probably didn't take you seriously. Most folks chomping at the bit for Dish to get the BTN want to see their school during the upcoming football season.......Dish probably doesn't realize IU has a football team :grin: JK
     
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    iublue

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    IU has football? Damn I need to read those memos that the IU alumni foundation sends out.

    I started emailing Dish this early so that they would have it before BASKETBALL season.

    Football never crossed my mind! VBG
     
  4. Jul 9, 2007 #124 of 572
    nbajam

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    Actually, they're expanding their reach, because games that will be broadcast on the BTN are games now only available locally, or sometimes regionally on gameplan. Not to mention, the Big 10 reaps the benefits of operating the network.

    Sure the games now might be 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice type games, but when the new ESPN/ABC deal expires in 10 years I'd venture to guess its going to be quite a bit different.
     
  5. Jul 9, 2007 #125 of 572
    Codeman00

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    I love to see the Purdue vs Indiana jabbing...makes me feel like I'm back home!
     
  6. Jul 9, 2007 #126 of 572
    jhamps10

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    I didn't know that Purdue or Indiana had a football team.......


    Oh wait They do, isn't it called the old XFL?:hurah: :hurah: :D

    I-L-L---- I-N-I!!!! Were gonna cream your butt this year in Football, and oh yeah IU basketball fans, the NCAA called, they want your coach to stop breaking recuriting rules (I.e Gordon).....


    anyway dish told me the same thing on their e-mail back to me. Dish network is gonna lose a lot of subs by Basketball season if they don't have BTN on by then.
     
  7. iublue

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    I only see one problem with your post. KS did not break ANY rule in regards to Gordon. First, the Gordons contacted him. Second, there was an unwritten agreement in the basketball community to not recruit a player that had verballed but NO rule. Gordon had always wanted to play at IU but was not going to play for a fool like Davis. If Weber did not know MONTHS ahead of time that Gordon was not solid then he is a fool. All he had to do was go to any forum that discussed NCAA basketball.

    Football on the other hand recruits players right up to the moment they sign.
     
  8. WebTraveler

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    Doubtful....isn't that what people said before on other channels and few left, while more signed up. The real die-hard Big 10 sports fan may leave, but most people don't wrap their lives around it.

    Prediction - In the end Big 10 will cut its fee to Dish dramatically to get itself shown on Dish. Big 10 doesn't want to risk the idea of failure....
     
  9. TBoneit

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    WebTraveler: Doubtful.

    I suspect that in the contracts already signed BTN has to give the best rate to all. So if Dish gets a much lower price they'd have to drop DirecTV's rate for example. So they'll crunch the numbers and decide where the breakeven point is and want to stay up form that.

    Edit. That was probably why YES never signed with Dish.
     
  10. DCSholtis

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    http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.co...ticle.main&articleId=55593&requestTimeout=900

    TBoneit your correct there was some sort of "sunshine agreement" in the YES contracts where if they were to offer reduced terms to any provider they would have to go back and offer the same to ALL providers in which they have signed deals.
     
  11. James Long

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    That is probably the issue ... placement. As noted previously in this thread, E*'s "lowest tier" isn't the appropriate place for the channel. If BTN is demanding AT100 instead of allowing placement in AT200 (equivalent to D*'s Choice and home of RSNs and CSTV) that would be deal killer.
     
  12. mhowie

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    How would D* know the rate a competitor might receive?
     
  13. norton54

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    I'm with you brother!
     
  14. TBoneit

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    As I understand it if it is in the contract that they get the same rate as the lowest rate being paid they do not have to know what that is. The entity that they pay would have to tell them.

    I believe this was the one of the sticking points in E* getting Yes network. Even if Yes was willing to give them a lower rate it would have impacted revenues from other contractees.
     
  15. caseymeeps

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    Any new information re E* getting BTN?
     
  16. Codeman00

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    No, the last I heard is that they are still under negotiations. I want this channel bad...I'll post any info as soon as I get it.
     
  17. iublue

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    I posted in a new thread so it would not get lost in this long thread. Maybe that was a mistake.

    According to an IU website that interviewed the head of the BTN...

    I know that there is a thread below regarding the BTN but I thought I would bring it to the top instead of burying this news on page 7.

    As and IU fan I read this on an IU website. It sounds good and I hope it works out so that I can stay with Dish.

    Q - A lot of people want to know where things stand with Dish Network right now?

    With Dish Network we are in very active conversations. I would characterize them a little different than some of the other guys I am sure you are going to ask me about. But we are in conversations with them and hope to get a deal done shortly.

    Q - Is that a little easier negotiation than with some of the larger cable companies given the way a satellite broadcaster is structured?

    I don't think that is why. We have had more productive conversations with Dish than for example with Comcast. I don't think that is why, I think it is just that for whatever reason...Comcast is the biggest and they act in a certain manner and I think it is more about how they go about their business than the way Dish goes about their business. I really don't think it is about the specific platform.

    Get the deal done.
     
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    The BTN is for real. I was watching FSN Wisconsin on MLB EI Friday night before
    the Phillies/Padres game came on, and the women's basketball coach from
    Univ of Wisconsin was interviewed by a Brewers' announcer and she said that
    she drove three hours to the Brewers game just to plug BTN. She talked about
    how BTN is going to help promote women's sports by broadcasting live games. She was talking about women's sports in addition to basketball such as field hockey, softball, etc. I do not think she ever mentioned football. Now obviously Fox set up this interview in advance, but the BTN is not going to back off its demands. Most TV viewers could care less about college field hockey (my daughter had a field hockey scholarship). But the point that I came away with is the BTN is serious.

    With D* signed up, BTN is not going to offer the other four MVPs (E*, Cox, TW or Comcast) better terms than D* got. The MVPs are going to have to match
    the D* tier in terms of percentage of subs. If a deal is not done, the subs that
    really want the BTN will migrate to D* just like Sunday Ticket. BTN does not
    have contractual obligations to pay millions of dollars to the universities or to
    professional athletes. BTN can wait the MVPs out. When the Disney contracts
    expire, BTN will be a hot property. The object of the BTN is to eliminate the
    middleman, Disney.
     
  19. TBoneit

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    And if it is only on D* the diehard fans will migrate others that would watch if it was there won't. how many new possible fans will never become fans?

    It is my belief that all the limited types of deals such as BTN or YES are going to be losing fans in the future by now being easily available.

    Many fans became fans since it was available and they started watching.

    This could be a huge opportunity for alternative sports that are willing to gamble on the future by being aired OTA.
     
  20. James Long

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    In other words, E* will continue to add subscribers at a faster rate than D* --- which they continue to do despite all the threats of migration.
    Without the obligations they can afford to make their price affordable or allow the channel to be placed at the tier E* has placed similar content (AT200). $0 for Comcast and $0 from Echostar isn't going to help them keep their network running. They would be wise to accept what they can get, get popular, and THEN start making demands instead of pretending to be the best thing since ESPN before they air a single game.
     
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