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  1. Hound

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    IF D* is the only provider of BTN, D* will have a BTN audience, and E* and the other MVPs will not. In a 200 channel plus environment, regional sports channels have a small percentage of the market. If E* continues to add more subs than
    D*, it will be for other reasons. E* trails D* in monthly revenue per sub.
    So the D* subs are at D* for different reasons. D* has a different audience than E*.

    BTN may be getting $0 from E* and the other MVPs, but the Big Ten schools are still getting money from Disney. The strategy seems to be to wait it out.
     
  2. DCSholtis

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    E* asking for FCC help in BTN dispute
    http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6462418.html

    Question is with the sale of D* to Liberty is whether or not that 2004 order is still in effect. It should be interesting...IF this thing does go to arbitration though the rates BTN are asking for are consistent with rates of various other RSNs. There is no way they will be able to get this on the cheap.
     
  3. James Long

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    Only by default (since there will be zero audience for BTN on other MVPs unless BTN plays fair). But don't make it sound like every POTENTIAL audience member for BTN would give up E* or their other MVP and storm over to D*. That just is not going to happen.

    BTN is just not that important of a network to the masses. They would be better off getting on E* and other MVPs where they will be AVAILALABLE to the masses instead of pretending to be a market player that they simply are not.
     
  4. Hound

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    The BTN die hards will give up E* or their other MVP, if D* is the only choice, or
    some will pick up D* as a second service. (I believe the statistics of subs with
    two services is about 3% nationwide.) I said that the people who really want
    BTN will go to D*, if D* is the only choice (die hards). (There are no die hard
    Yankee fans with E*, unless they have a second service). Die hard Yankee fan means watching baseball on TV is part of your regular routine.

    To the masses BTN is not important. No RSN is. But when the Disney contracts
    expire, BTN will have content that will be more attractive to subs.
     
  5. scooper

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    I doubt it....

    Look - I don't think the ACC could support it's own RSN, nevermind the Big 12 (which is where I hail from - Rock Chalk - Go Jayhawks). The Big 10 - please...
     
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    Another "fact" that is only speculation. When the Disney contracts expire the schools will have to make the choice of renewing a contract that pays them a lot of money to get the schools on top rated sports channels or take a risk with a network that is having serious start up issues getting on major systems. BTN will have that content? That is not guaranteed. Why pay a premium price and agree to premium terms now for a channel that isn't yet worth the premium?
     
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    Perhaps this is true, but there are other ways around it. Dish is also a big advertiser and a big sponsor of events, so carry the channel at the going rate - but oh, give us some cheap advertising and we're in. It all works. In the end, if the channel is carried, Dish will get a better deal than the others, just wait and see....
     
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    I doubt that very much as that would mean BTN would have to go back and re negotiate terms with everyone giving them the chance to match. BTN will not fall into that trap.
     
  9. hoopsbwc34

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    Where is D* carrying this channel? As part of their Sports pak or on their choice tier?
     
  10. DCSholtis

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    D* is carrying on their Choice Plus tier and up not the sports pack.
     
  11. Hound

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    Yes, this is speculation. But the schools would not have agreed to the BTN,
    unless this was part of the game plan. Eliminate the middleman, Disney completely. There must be enough money in eliminating Disney to make BTN
    worthwhile. With one MVP signed up, who can theoretically provide content to all of its die hard fans, the risk/reward becomes a no brainer. The schools are not
    going to go out of business, if they miss a payment from Disney. The schools
    do not have professional athlete salaries to pay. And under Title IX, the money
    from Disney could not be put exclusively into football. It has to be shared
    equally with women's programs or go to the school's general funds (e.g., women's TV rights equals one and men's TV rights equals 11, 5 has to be made available to women's athletic programs). If eliminating Disney was not part of the
    original concept, I would agree with you about BTN's negotiating stance on
    carriage.
     
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    Another reason why E* should not put the channel in anything lower than AT200.
     
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    "When you subscribe to our network as an operator you are going to get the game we are going to put on that network, and that is going to be different games so in week one in Michigan it will be the Michigan State game and in week one in Ohio it will be the Ohio State game and in Pennsylvania it will be the Penn State game. So we are going to split our feeds in that first week, but in addition to that we are offering up, and DirecTV has already indicated they are going to carry it, all of the games so that an operator can air every single game, even the ones that aren't on the network (the main channel)."​
    It looks like they are looking for a lot! The question of what they are going to do in basketball season (potentially 11 games to split) is also noted on that page.
    The way I look at it is that I categorize Dish (Network) at a different place than some of the other cable operators. The difference is that we are exchanging ideas with Dish and are in negotiations with them. They are active and I am hopeful with Dish (Network) that we are going to be able to get there and get the network carried. I don't think it is imminent by any stretch but we are talking with them and we are making progress slowly, but we are making progress.​
    People shouldn't be as worried as they are in this thread.
     
  15. scooper

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    So they are potentially asking for 7-11 different games simultaneaously ?!?! good luck trying to get anybody else to sign up....
     
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    It would be VERY unlikely you would ever have that many games on at the same time. For example, in bball IU / Purdue almost never play @ the same time. I would guess the story is the same w/ Michigan & Michigan St.

    You may have to have a BTN - Alternate (as they do w/ESPN) or 2 but I would be surprised if there are ever more then 2 or 3 big ten teams playing at the same time / same day in hoops. That would also only be a big issue for 6 weeks until conference play starts too.

    If they don't add the station, there are LOTS of people here in Indy that are going to be upset and moving to DTV. We're use to seeing the Hoosier / Boilermakers pretty much every game for bball....and if they don't have it come November, I'd be shocked if they don't lose a good chunk of their Indy market.
     
  17. James Long

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    Plus there is the issue of ESPN/ABC taking first pick anyways. :)
    It does add another twist to the puzzle having multiple "alternate" versions.
     
  18. nbajam

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    The Big 10 is only the most powerful conference in college athletics with most of the largest public universities in the country.

    Yeah, no way they could support a network...
     
  19. angiecopus

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    My dad only gets two tickets for each ohio state home game, and unfortunaly my mom will be going to the first game which The BTN will be showing. I hate that.
    because its not the same when i can't watch it.
     
  20. saltrek

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    I wonder if E* trying to classify BTN as an RSN is an attempt to only offer the channel in Big 10 territory, and as part of sports pak to the rest of the country - signifigantly lowering the $0.10 per subscriber part of the deal.
     
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