LCC

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by sstv, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. HoTat2

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    7,776
    231
    Nov 16, 2005
    Los...
    Yeah, most folks here well-know ...

    But it's simply the irresistible urge to probe and do "fence-testing" anyway. Particularly if you've got some time to kill ...

    Hoping that a CSR will slip somehow and send out an LCC to an ineligible sub. ...

    Sent from my LM-V405 using Tapatalk
     
  2. bjdotson

    bjdotson Legend

    402
    50
    Feb 20, 2007
    Thanks very much
     
  3. trh

    trh This Space for Sale

    6,923
    571
    Nov 2, 2007
    NE FL
    Clarification please. Do the AM21s scan with an HR24?
     
  4. KyL416

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    5,391
    1,059
    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    No the Hx2xs just get whatever matches the entries in the database. Only the HR44, H44 and HR54 got the scanning ability back.
     
    codespy likes this.
  5. Apr 2, 2019 #205 of 610
    sstv

    sstv Legend

    402
    20
    Jul 30, 2006
    DALLAS TX
    Sad Day
    I think "LCC" is DOA
     
  6. Apr 2, 2019 #206 of 610
    Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    3,351
    162
    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Speculation, or you know something?
     
  7. Apr 2, 2019 #207 of 610
    msglsmo

    msglsmo Member

    54
    5
    Dec 27, 2015
    Kansas City, MO
    Official? Link?
     
  8. Apr 2, 2019 #208 of 610
    sstv

    sstv Legend

    402
    20
    Jul 30, 2006
    DALLAS TX
    Speculation because this thing has gone on to long. LCC is not hard to do so why is it not done?
     
  9. Apr 2, 2019 #209 of 610
    slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    10,104
    1,308
    Feb 14, 2013
    Iowa
    They work at their own pace, not the pace you wish they'd work at. I've said before I think they won't release it until they have finished adding all the subchannels to the DMAs, a task which is roughly half done right now.
     
    bt-rtp likes this.
  10. Apr 2, 2019 #210 of 610
    KyL416

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    5,391
    1,059
    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    And we've already seen it released in additional DMAs as recently as a month ago where one of the locals were in a dispute. Not to mention recent Genie updates adding the LCC to menus and dialogues.
     
  11. Apr 2, 2019 #211 of 610
    Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    3,351
    162
    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Well, can't disagree with the gone on too long part of what you said. However, we know it's in the latest software, and they keep adding more sub-channels to their database every week. The database being updated is what makes me think the LCC may still happen.

    If the LCC is killed we'll all speculate as to why. One of the things that could kill it would have been a extraordinary number of calls to support from people in the test markets that couldn't figure out how to setup their antenna. If ATT sees that as an issue, well...

    I picked up an antenna last month, and my daughter who is 30 years old was utterly fascinated by the thing. She's a very smart person - tech savvy when it comes to computers - college grad - good job etc. - but could not seem to grasp the idea of watching TV OTA. :D
     
    msglsmo likes this.
  12. Apr 2, 2019 #212 of 610
    Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    3,351
    162
    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Got to thinking about what I just wrote in my previous post. I suppose if and when they release it, most of the folks who order it will understand what it's all about, so maybe not as many calls to support as I might have imagined about the antenna not working...
     
  13. Apr 2, 2019 #213 of 610
    HoTat2

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    7,776
    231
    Nov 16, 2005
    Los...
    While I certainly think the LCC is coming, I do sympathize with sstv that ever since AT&T as part of their consolidating control over DIRECTV, took all product testing in house among only their employees and under very strict NDAs.

    Things have really hit the slow-track in this area ...

    Has DIRECTV actually released any new equipment since AT&T made this change and took everything in house?

    I honestly can't think of any myself ...

    Sent from my LM-V405 using Tapatalk
     
  14. Apr 2, 2019 #214 of 610
    slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    10,104
    1,308
    Feb 14, 2013
    Iowa
    Bundling the LCC with a low quality antenna is a bad idea. They should just offer the LCC by itself, and tell people to set up an antenna themselves or contact a third party to have one installed. Basically people need to be told the LCC and the antenna are self-install products, with no support offered for the actual pickup of channels, only making the LCC work with Directv equipment.

    When someone calls for support on the LCC they should be told to disconnect the antenna from their LCC and plug it into a TV and do a scan, and that the LCC can't be expected to pick up channels the TV can't.
     
  15. Apr 2, 2019 #215 of 610
    sstv

    sstv Legend

    402
    20
    Jul 30, 2006
    DALLAS TX
    DMA'S are not cast in stone and the sub channels are very fluid. People who are into "OTA" recommend a weekly rescan. The job will never be finished.
     
  16. Apr 2, 2019 #216 of 610
    KyL416

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    5,391
    1,059
    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    Slice is referring to the OTA database expansion which is nearly half way complete.

    After the expansion hits a given market, as long as the stations in that market properly notify Gracenote about any changes to their subchannels, it trickles down to the OTA database a few weeks later. (i.e. Dallas was one of the first four to get the expansion, and since then it has had updates multiple times) Pay attention to the transponder maps thread if you want to keep up to date on updates to the OTA database.

    As for DMA borders, they can only change once a year, and it's very rare for a shift to happen, when it does it only affects one or two counties in fringe areas that border another DMA. So even if your DMA changes, it does NOT affect what stations you can pick up over the air, if you get any at all that far out. It only affects what locals you are given on satellite. (Cable has different rules, and in those bordering counties, the odds are the cable provider is already giving you locals from both DMAs, and if not, they can get an exemption based on where the headend that serves the system is located so they don't have to switch the locals)

    Those fringe areas don't have full power stations of their own, so it doesn't affect things like which DMA a station belongs to. That only happens in extreme cases that have nothing to do with DMA border changes, like how two VHF stations in Nevada and Wyoming moved to New Jersey and Delaware by exploiting a long forgotten commercial VHF loophole that was created to protect the license of the then WOR-TV after their owners RKO General were caught up in a bunch of business fraud.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2019
  17. Apr 2, 2019 #217 of 610
    Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    3,351
    162
    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    I think they recommend regular re-scanning because of the on going repacking.
     
  18. Apr 2, 2019 #218 of 610
    KyL416

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    5,391
    1,059
    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    Yep, and unless you are living under a bubble, you should be alerted about the specific day(s) you need to rescan well in advanced since stations have to provide notices via tickers and full screen messages in the leadup to their change day.
     
  19. Apr 2, 2019 #219 of 610
    Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    3,351
    162
    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Yup - and once a week is probably not necessary. Certainly re-scan if one of your stations goes away, otherwise every other month is likely often enough. Repacking should be over in the summer of 2020.
     
  20. Apr 2, 2019 #220 of 610
    KyL416

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    5,391
    1,059
    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    Luckily most stations are coordinating together to do it on the same day unless extreme circumstances prevent them from being able to do so. (i.e. the mess that is the 1 WTC spire where due to mismanagement every station intending to move there had to file to change their final signal pattern, and some will now have to rely on interim aux facilities at 4 Times Square, Empire or NJ) Also, VHF and UHF channels were assigned different phases, so their moves could be a year apart.

    Even if you somehow miss the ongoing tickers, come home to see no signal and are completely in the dark about the repack, the stations will have the alerts on the top of their web pages, and if you're a person who insists on calling the station by phone anytime there's trouble, most stations will have automated messages about it.


    For new subchannels though, unless it's a no name subchannel network that's just paying to be carried, most stations usually run promos announcing the arrival of a new subchannel.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2019

Share This Page

spam firewall