Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by sstv, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. May 6, 2019 #261 of 976

    ctide21 New Member

    Sep 3, 2011
    My attempts failed. They would not issue unless there is a channel dispute.
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  2. May 6, 2019 #262 of 976

    Athlon646464 Yada Yada Yada DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Not at all a surprise - but thanks for letting us know!
  3. May 6, 2019 #263 of 976
    Gary Toma

    Gary Toma UNIX

    Mar 22, 2006
    On 5/23/18, they broke a nine-year dry spell and provided the first OTA update. The previous update to 5/23/18 was November, 2009.

    Let's hope the updates continue.
  4. May 7, 2019 #264 of 976

    dod1450 Legend

    Dec 16, 2009
    I am confused about this "channel dispute?" So what do you call these networks, H&I, METV, Grit, Startv, and others? Why arn't these classified as "channel dispute?"
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  5. May 7, 2019 #265 of 976

    Athlon646464 Yada Yada Yada DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Your deal with DirecTV includes your 'main' local channels. By 'main' I mean the majors - ABC, CBS, FOX NBC, CW. The deal does not include what is usually found on the sub-channels. If DirecTV cannot supply one of those 'main' channels to you because they have a contract issue with that channel, you may qualify for on LCC, which would allow you to receive the channel over the air.
  6. May 7, 2019 #266 of 976

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    The carry one, carry all rule for satellite only requires them to offer carriage of the primary channels of all the full power stations in the market. Lesser stations and non-commercial stations elect must carry status where they're carried for free, others like ones affiliated with a major network elect retransmission consent where they get paid.

    A dispute happens when you're missing one of those retransmission consent stations because they couldn't come to terms on a carriage deal. You can search for the station's call sign on the FCC public files to see which ones opted for must carry and which ones opted for retransmission consent, once you find the station you can see it in the "Must-Carry or Retransmission Consent" folder under "More Public Inspection Files". (In some cases even with retransmission consent lack of carriage isn't a dispute, like those stations Sinclair sold off to stay under the ownership cap, but moved the network affiliation and syndicated programming to a subchannel of the station they kept, while the new owners of the licenses "voluntarily" opted to not seek carriage deals or must carry status to remove themselves as competition)

    Carriage of subchannels, Class A and Low Power stations is strictly optional, they only carry those if they are the local affiliate of a major network. Although for PBS member stations they have a seperate deal where secondary and tertiary stations can opt to have one of their subchannels carried instead of their HD feed. There's also the Alaska and Hawaii exception where because of years of neglecting those states both satellite providers have to offer carriage to their subchannels too, something that is easier to do in those states since they don't have to deal with multiple markets needing to be covered by the same spotbeam, like they need to do in the lower 48 states.
    Last edited: May 8, 2019
  7. May 7, 2019 #267 of 976

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    Has anyone heard yet if these will work with a HS17 or still limiting to HR44/54's?
  8. May 8, 2019 #268 of 976

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2013
    Directv added 26 new OTA markets this week, including 8 of the 12 where they don't offer satellite locals. They have now hit 136 out of 211 markets, or just under 2/3.

    If they follow their past pattern they'll do another couple weeks, then wait over a month before the next burst which may take care of them all.
  9. May 8, 2019 #269 of 976

    tkrandall Hall Of Fame

    Oct 3, 2003
    been away too long from this forum, and just now learning of this LCC. At my prior address I had an AM21, but my current house pat few years - never bothered - it sits in basement and I have no antenna. I do have an HR44 and genie clients now (and the old HR24...)

    with apologies to questions perhaps already answered, as I have looked here:

    and here:
    Local Channel Connector

    and have not found the answer.

    Q1: can you use another higher gain antenna instead of the one included with the LCC package?
    Q2: how do you go about requesting one and how much does it cost?
  10. May 8, 2019 #270 of 976

    Athlon646464 Yada Yada Yada DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    1) Yes
    2) You need to be in a test market for it or one of your locals needs to be in dispute. (See the post just three above yours.)
  11. May 8, 2019 #271 of 976

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 16, 2005
    And "3" ...

    Welcome back ....

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  12. May 8, 2019 #272 of 976

    texasbrit Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2006
    and "4", your AM21 will still work.
  13. scottchez

    scottchez Icon

    Feb 4, 2003
    Just Got a $300 visa offer to sign up as a new customer, switching from DISH, so I plan to this week.
    Really want the HS17 with 7 tuners instead of 5 and double the HD space as the HR54 it is closer in specs to the Hopper tuner and space wise.

    PLEASE- could someone try the LCC on the HS17 again, there were several updates. Hoping it now works.
    From reading the hundred or so posts we know at least one person has a LCC and tried it many months ago.
    They even posted the device ID numbers proving that had one.

    I am used to getting 30 free OTA channels via the Dish version of the LCC. Hoping Directv can make it work on the HS17 which seems to be their top model now due to the extra $100 cost.
  14. Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Yada Yada Yada DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Unless you live in one of the LCC test markets, or one of your major locals in 'in dispute', you can't get an LCC anyway.

    What would be interesting to us is if your DISH version of the LCC will work on your new HS17 when the HS17 supports it (not sure if it does now - don't think so though). If it will work when support is added that would mean we'll be able to find an equivalent outside of DirecTV. The odds are that it won't, but it's still an open question as far as I know.

    Too bad for us you didn't opt for the HR54 :D for that experiment.

    Welcome to DirecTV!
  15. scottchez

    scottchez Icon

    Feb 4, 2003
    Kind of a gamble, may have to go with and HR54 as we know it works with the AM21, for all we know they could cancel the project to get the HS17 working with the AM21 or LCC, I must have METV, COMET TV, and all my PBS sub channels in my guide.
  16. Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Yada Yada Yada DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    If you 'must', then an AM21 from Ebay and an HR54 makes sense for you.
  17. litzdog911

    litzdog911 Well-Known Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Mill Creek, WA
    That would be my recommendation. Who knows if the LCC will ever become an official product.
  18. SledgeHammer

    SledgeHammer Icon

    Dec 28, 2007
    Yup... I'm STILL waiting for the PC add in card that was promised umm... what was it, 15+ yrs ago? :D.
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  19. scottchez

    scottchez Icon

    Feb 4, 2003
    Guess I could just upgrade the Hard Drive on my own and get the same space as a HS17. HS17 is $100 more
    Guess I am going off topic, sorry.
    What Genie Mini model number should I get (want all wired).

    They are also throwing in a Year of HBO and the Sunday ticket with the $300. I got it all in writing.
    Its their Switch from Dish sale.
  20. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    if you have the dish OTA dongle, any chance to pull its VID/PID ?

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