LCC

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  1. Jun 3, 2019 #361 of 976
    scottchez

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    Update
    Just ordered an LCC 22 mins ago, got a confirm number and an order number.
    10 mins later the system auto canceled the order saying at customers request.
    This is the same issue as last time, if your not in the approved DMA you cant get one the all mighty ATT computer system will cancel the order.

    Retention department can not over ride either.
    I you just need to wait.

    Till then the AM21 avliable on those bidding sites also work, they are many years old, similar thing but larger box. Same USB connection
     
  2. Jun 3, 2019 #362 of 976
    sstv

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    My LCC arrived today, setup went OK.It looks like I got all the "sub" channels. It does not work on the 24.
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  3. Jun 3, 2019 #363 of 976
    242424

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    Bummer, thanks for the report.
     
  4. Jun 3, 2019 #364 of 976
    trh

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    Did you get two?
     
  5. Jun 3, 2019 #365 of 976
    cmoss5

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    Did you ever get the LCC ?
     
  6. Jun 3, 2019 #366 of 976
    cmoss5

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    WHAT STATE ARE YOU IN?
     
  7. Jun 3, 2019 #367 of 976
    Athlon646464

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    On May 6th he posted he did not. (Supposedly ordered April 15th.)
     
  8. Jun 3, 2019 #368 of 976
    sstv

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    just one
     
  9. Jun 3, 2019 #369 of 976
    NashGuy

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    Right. But I do think that, if a no-locals skinny "Starter" package debuts on the streaming service, it will also be available on satellite. So the LCC would be a great thing for those customers.

    As for streaming customers who might get this Starter package, I would expect AT&T to do one of the following in order to integrate OTA locals with DVR capability in with streaming channels on the C71 Osprey box. They might offer their own dual-tuner OTA network tuner, to which a USB hard drive can be attached for local DVR, just like Dish/Sling has done with their AirTV product. This configuration has the benefit of being able to serve live and recorded OTA TV to any screen on the home network without the need for any other hardware, such as the C71 or other STB. I'm pretty sure that the AirTV is de-interlacing incoming 1080i and 480i TV signals into 1080p and 480p streams that are friendly for lots of devices which would otherwise choke on 1080i. It also converts on-the-fly from MPEG2 to MPEG4 h.264 before sending video out onto the network since some devices (including most Rokus) can't handle MPEG2.

    Or, perhaps instead, they'll offer the LCC but with a different USB plug attachment that allows a USB hard drive to also connect, and then both plug in together into the single USB port on the back of the C71 box. (Android TV has some low-level native support for OTA tuners and local DVR capabilities.) I have no idea how well the C71 might handle 1080i in MPEG2, though.
     
  10. Jun 3, 2019 #370 of 976
    TheRatPatrol

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    Which Genie do you have?
     
  11. Jun 3, 2019 #371 of 976
    slice1900

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    I think it would be smarter to simply offer all satellite customers the option to drop locals, and break out that charge so they can see how much they are being dinged and can save.

    Having some sort of low tier package that doesn't include locals would allow advertising a lower price, but I wonder how many people even know whether they would be able to pick up their locals. Especially with a crappy indoor antenna located wherever their Genie is, which is probably not exactly an ideal location. Such an offering might cost them a lot of customer goodwill as people sign up, then find they can't get their locals so they'll have to pay extra to move up to a package that has them or cancel and eat the ETF.

    There's nothing that would stop them from allowing a hard drive to connect to a C71, but if they do that why limit it to the LCC? Let all the IP customers have the option of an in home DVR that doesn't have the limitations of cloud DVR. I just don't see this as being likely unless the LCC is a big hit on the satellite side and they have customers clamoring for a way to save money on the locals on the IP side.
     
  12. Jun 3, 2019 #372 of 976
    trh

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  13. Jun 3, 2019 #373 of 976
    sstv

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    Genie one, my system is a 54, a 24 and a mini
     
  14. Jun 3, 2019 #374 of 976
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    Since the AM21 works quite well with the HR24, that's both a shame and a little surprising.
     
  15. Jun 3, 2019 #375 of 976
    NashGuy

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    That would depend on AT&T being able to negotiate with the corporations that own ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox to give them access to their cable channels (e.g. ESPN, USA, Fox News, etc.) in packages that do not include their broadcast networks, including their O&O affiliates in the largest markets. I'm not sure they can do that (especially if, as I suspect, they are now negotiating a unified set of contracts for the new packages that will span new customers on both streaming and satellite).

    Yes, they could do the same thing that Sling TV has done, which is to include ONLY the O&O affiliates but none of the other affiliates of the big 4 broadcast nets (which is why your Sling TV package might include the ABC affiliate if you live in NYC or LA but not if you live in Omaha). But what Sling is doing there is spreading the cost of carrying those O&O affiliates to all their subscribers nationwide, since they don't price their packages differently based on whether or not any of your locals are included.

    When I look at the channel line-up for AT&T Watch TV, I just tend to doubt that they put that line-up together only to be used in that service (which gets very little marketing attention). I suspect that it will get repurposed on their more popular streaming and satellite platforms.

    Lastly, consider the package names Plus and Max. Those names mean "more" and "most," or "better" and "best," respectively. Seems very strange to me to have products with those designations without having some basic-level product underneath to complete the classic "good/better/best" line-up.

    For new customers going forward, DTV ought to include the installation of an outdoor OTA antenna (same mount as the dish) in with their dish installation for free. But yeah, it would be up to customers to know before ordering installation if they could get decent OTA reception. No way around that, really.

    Cloud DVR better lends itself to dynamic targeted ad insertion, for one thing. And it's always accessible to any device connected to the internet, in or out of home. The trend across the cable TV world is toward cloud DVR for your pay channels and I don't see that changing.

    Again, my suggestion that AT&T will do this "cloud DVR for cable channels + local DVR for OTA channels" thing isn't some crazy theory. It's already being done by the streaming cable TV service with the most subscribers, Sling TV (which, coincidentally, is run by AT&T's arch competitor in satellite TV, DISH).
     
  16. Jun 3, 2019 #376 of 976
    James Long

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    DISH does that. Or are you saying AT&T does not have the negotiation power of DISH Network?

    DISH allows their customers to opt out of local channels. One can buy the regular tiered packages without locals. DISH allows customers to opt out even in the big O&O markets. This is similar to the offer AT&T|DIRECTV announced in Vegas last year, where customers could choose to use an LCC and opt out of locals in the Vegas market.
     
  17. Jun 4, 2019 #377 of 976
    sstv

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    It looks like the LCC is becoming available to more people. Here's a helpful hint, If you got the LCC to avoid rain fade on local channels, you have remove all the local channels from the "series manager" and replace them with the new OTA channels. such as change 5 to 5.1. Do this on your favorite channels "Custom 1" if you use custom channels. You have to do this because the local channels are still available from the SAT so change all local channels from SAT to OTA.
    I am using my outdoor OTA antenna for locals so I can't comment on the Wingard antenna. I have a similar ant on a bedroom tv and it works great. All this changing from Sat to OTA is a "pita" but the results are worth it
     
  18. Jun 4, 2019 #378 of 976
    makaiguy

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    Q re flat indoor antennas: Everything I've read suggests mounting to windows for best reception. Does this apply for windows on side of house opposite from broadcast tower location?
     
  19. Jun 4, 2019 #379 of 976
    Athlon646464

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    Simple answer:

    Window or not, you want your antenna (any type of antenna) as close to the tower(s) as possible, with as few obstructions between your antenna and the tower(s) as possible. So yes, glass will block less signal than wood, brick or stone - and even less so on the tower(s) side of your home. On the opposite side the signal(s) would have to go through a wall or two or three to get to the antenna.

    The higher the better as well.

    Having said that, if it works on the opposite side because you live close to the tower(s), then that is okay for you. In the end, it depends on the signal strength in your area, as well as the design of your antenna.
     
  20. Jun 4, 2019 #380 of 976
    inkahauts

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    Just note that your hard drive will record a lot less if you convert a lot of programs from satelite feed to over the air.
     

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