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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by sstv, Oct 27, 2018.
just use two LCC modules ;/0
Directv mostly certainly IS in the "local" business, they aren't going to shut that down and lose half their customers just because they introduced a product that lets you receive stuff OTA. If you believe so, please explain why did they have locals when they had the AM21 all those years? The LCC won't provide any additional capability the AM21 didn't, it is just smaller, so they could dropped locals then and told people to get the AM21.
carriage fees have become excessive,LCC removes that problem. The AM21 became a piece of junk when the ability to scan for locals was removed. The LCC gets everything that's available with no DTV input. The 2 tuner thing is why you need a HR24.
I take it you haven't got the latest firmware for your Genie that's been rolling out nightly then... The ability to scan isn't LCC specific as OTA scanning has returned for AM21s connected to a HR44/HR54. They also started to expand the OTA database on a market by market basis which will help those with Hx2x's.
You also might want to take a look at the support page that was linked back in August in one of the thread's P Smith posted, the LCC also only has 2 tuners and it says HR44/HR54 only, and unless they're using chipsets that have long been out of production so it uses the same kernel modules and firmware blobs as the AM21, or they decided to include the kernel drivers and firmware blobs for the chipsets used by the LCC in a firmware update, it's not going to work on the Hx2x's. And unless they reintroduce scanning support to the Hx2x's, it will also be limited to stations in the OTA database.
I pulled my AM21 yesterday from the RV and it still scans fine. The new LCC would work great for me on trips in the RV due to its size. I would think the LCC would also pull in stronger signals also. Even though my AM21 still works it is getting old and the signals strengths are not as good as it used to be. One big issue for me with the AM21 is it is to big for the entertainment center in the motorhome. I have to sit it on my steering wheel which is directly below the entertainment center.
The concern of it only pulling in two channels will not be a big deal while using it in the motorhome. My HR24 that I take with me will only record two shows at a time anyway.
But will I be able to get the LCC and still keep my locals when they it is offered in my area.
Obviously we can't know 100% for certain until everything is made public, but I'd be shocked if they do. I could see them giving you a choice like "get the LCC free and $10 off per month for dropping locals" or "pay $50 for the LCC, keep your locals and get no discount".
But I'm curious, if you had it why would you want to keep your satellite locals, especially if they offered you a discount? Are some of your satellite delivered locals impossible for you to reliably pick up OTA?
Check the LCC support page and some of his posts in the other threads. He likes the ability to record more than 2 locals at once. There's also a bunch of other limitations if you opt for LCC only:
So you won't have access to CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and CW On demand
So locals won't be available for in and out of home streaming via mobile DVR and you won't be able to set remote recordings on local channels since the guide on the DirecTV app only displays satellite channels.
And you won't have access to the TV Everywhere platforms for the networks like Fox Now, Watch ABC and NBC Live or be able to stream your locals on DirecTV's website and app if you're in a market that has locals available for streaming. You also won't be able to stream Fox and NBC games on Fox Sports Go and NBC Sports Live since those apps check for subscriptions to the individual channels. (ABC's games on the otherhand are lumped with ESPN3 on WatchESPN, so you won't lose their games)
There's no technical reason they could make the software support using more than one LCC at a time, connected via a USB hub. There's no way they'd do it for the AM21's intended market of people who want to watch subchannels Directv doesn't deliver.
If Directv markets the LCC as a way for people to drop satellite locals and save money, I think it is a possibility - there are some people who will want to watch/record three network programs at once, or college football Saturdays when there are always three (ABC, CBS, Fox) and sometimes four (NBC for home Notre Dame) games on broadcast TV at once. Probably not a high possibility, but not quite a "there's no way they'd consider it" thing.
My concern for the LCC is will it work with the HR24. If not it would just be another reason to switch to Dish. When traveling in my motorhome the ability to watch and record the locals in the area I am in is very important.
All available information about the LCC on the support page says it's HR44/HR54. Plus as mentioned earlier, the chipsets used by the AM21 have long been out of production, meaning the LCC won't be using the same kernel modules and firmware blobs.
To sum it up for those who don't know how hardware interacts with kernels. Tuners aren't one generic thing like a USB keyboard or mouse, the chipsets in them for their tuner, demodulator and usb interface require specifc kernel modules and firmware blobs in the OS to work. And even if they use the same manufacturer it won't matter, i.e. Hauppauge's 950, 950Q and 955Q all require different kernel modules for their chipsets. On Desktop distributions this isn't a problem since they come with nearly every available module so most hardware can work out of the box, but in settops they set the flags at compilation time to only include the modules they need to support to save space.
Anyone who is claiming the LCC will be supported on the Hx2x via a firmware update is just speculating, none of the official information about the LCC says the Hx2x will be supported. If OTA is a must for your Hx2x, you'll need to get your hand on an AM21. For the majority of people the LCC won't be an improvement reception wise anyway, unless you are in an area with multipath problems that newer generation tuners handle better. And contrary to what was suggested earlier in this thread, the reintroduction of scanning is NOT LCC specific. The scanning process is handled by the receiver, and that was done via a firmware update for the HR44 and HR54 that is currently rolling out nightly that also allowed AM21's connected to those Genie models to scan once again.
You keep asking questions about the LCC for which no one has any definite answer. The only way to get a guaranteed answer to your questions is to wait for it to be released, and then the answers will be available either from Directv or from others who have them. If you can't wait that long, the AM21 is your only option.
Agree wait for release for info
Any word on a release date yet? Does Directv have a booth and CES next week or do press releases there ever? Anyone going to CES?
I see that AT&T business has a booth but no mention of D*. It is possible that they will show a receiver or so and I will check it out and take pic if allowed.
It I had to guess the only thing they will be showing off is the C71K
"AT&T business" is probably marketing corporate cellular packages and connectivity. Doesn't sound like a booth likely to have anything Directv, let alone a C71KW.
That's my issue. CBS is out of any antenna range.....,
On your dvr? How?
I presume the same way I am. I have an AM21 attached to my HR44 and another attached to my HR24. I often record 3 OTA programs and occasional 4 at one time. Because I doubt D* will get its act together with the new LCC and in the future my ability to record mult OTA shows will be restricted, I just got a very good deal on a TIVO Roamio OTA.
The AM21 has two tuners. You can't record more than two ota programs at a time from one AM21. You may have more than one AM21, but reubenray never said he had more than one. If he does, he should have said so to eliminate any confusion.
I don't recall where I got the pictures … someone did open dish OTA ? or it's just general Hauppauge dongle ...