LCC

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by sstv, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Dec 5, 2019 #941 of 976
    Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Yada Yada Yada DBSTalk Gold Club

    4,011
    492
    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Not sure I can do that here....
     
  2. Dec 5, 2019 #942 of 976
    P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    26,146
    535
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    Don't stir the pot ! :(
     
    Athlon646464 likes this.
  3. Dec 5, 2019 #943 of 976
    jorb

    jorb AllStar

    136
    1
    Mar 22, 2008
    It is easy to switch from Sat input to TV tuner input for us tech knowledgeable folk. But ask a senior citizen to do it. Not a pretty picture!
     
    dod1450 likes this.
  4. Dec 5, 2019 #944 of 976
    slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    10,818
    1,578
    Feb 14, 2013
    Iowa
    I hope they are working on improving it, or replacing it if the issue is hardware related. MVPDs are paying $15/month for locals now and that cost continues to rise. Giving people a way to save that money would go a long way toward reducing cord cutting.

    I'm really surprised no cable companies are getting on board with this. A lot of cable hardware has a USB port, so it should at least be theoretically possible to connect an LCC like device. Since cable's subscriber base is more likely to be able to pick OTA signals it would work even better for them than it does for Directv/Dish.
     
  5. Dec 5, 2019 #945 of 976
    TheRatPatrol

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    8,406
    641
    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    And make it work with the HS17.
     
  6. Dec 5, 2019 #946 of 976
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

    50,552
    2,142
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    Cable has different laws. Cable companies are required to offer carriage to most if not all local channels and include locals in all packages. (A percentage of channels carried must be set aside for locals. That percentage is high enough that most cable system have carried all locals before they reach the threshhold.) True, they could refuse to pay for stations that choose "consent to carry". I'm not sure how the FCC would look at a cable company providing an alternative means.
     
  7. Dec 6, 2019 #947 of 976
    slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    10,818
    1,578
    Feb 14, 2013
    Iowa
    If part of the fix is new hardware, there isn't much point in making the old hardware work with the HS17. If they do new hardware, hopefully they will be forward looking and make it ATSC 3.0 capable, or at least designed to be software upgradeable to ATSC 3.0 at a later date. We're going to start seeing ATSC 3.0 channels begin to light up before long since we're on the tail end of the repack.

    I think part of their problem has been the way they've just been giving them away - if they planned to do that all along then they were undoubtedly shopping around for the cheapest crap they could find, and judging from people's reports on it in many cases being worse than the decade old AM21, got what they paid for.

    I can see giving them away to people affected by a dispute who call in to complain about losing channels, but they could/should make people pay for it if they are getting one to drop their locals. At $15/month, Directv could say "we'll take the locals off your bill which will save you $15/month, and you'll pay for this at $10/month over the next 3 or 6 months" and it would save them money, Directv would get enough revenue to pay for a quality tuner while subsidizing giving away freebies to people affected by disputes...everybody wins!

    They could save money by only activating the ATSC 3.0 capability in the ones you buy, and leaving it dormant in the ones given away for disputes. The patent licenses for ATSC 1.0 were $20 plus in the 2000s though most have expired by now, I imagine ATSC 3.0 is at least that much.
     
  8. Dec 6, 2019 #948 of 976
    jorb

    jorb AllStar

    136
    1
    Mar 22, 2008
    Just think about how much Satellite channel space that would be freed-up if DirecTV did away all the nationwide satellite down-linked local TV channels.. Do you think that would be a cost savings to the subscriber?

    At&t could easily build a receiver that included integrated OTA tuners. With OTA channels included in the TV guide.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2019
  9. Dec 6, 2019 #949 of 976
    b4pjoe

    b4pjoe New Member

    1,270
    344
    Nov 19, 2010
    Well that would suck. I'm 80 miles from my local channels and I'm sure there are many subscribers in the same situation that cannot receive locals no matter how great the OTA tuners are.
     
  10. Dec 6, 2019 #950 of 976
    inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    24,941
    1,540
    Nov 13, 2006
    It’s hard to know where to even begin...

    They wouldn’t gain hardly anything by not having locals off sat from a bandwidth point. Locals use spot beams so it’s not a one for one on how many local channels could be replaced by national channels. You’d gain probably four national transponders. And since they have what 20 transponders that are or will soon be available plus the impending reconfigurations that will do away with multiple versions of the same national channels the gain in bandwidth is negligible at best from getting rid of locals for everyone.

    Plus locals take up a lot less space on a DVR from sat vs over the air. They can also sometimes be better quality.

    So many people can’t get locals over the air and depend on sat delivery. And the massive costs to install antennas for everyone would be cost prohibitive as well.

    That is how they used to do it and yet they pulled over the air tuners out of the sat boxes. There is a reason...

    Offering an option that allows for both is best. And that’s kind of what they do now.
     
  11. Dec 6, 2019 #951 of 976
    inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    24,941
    1,540
    Nov 13, 2006
    Awh, people with am21 are getting the benefits of the upgraded over the air guide data.

    You do have to redo any setup.

    It’s a slow rollout though if you don’t already have the am21 or are in a market that allows the lcc.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2019 #952 of 976
    jorb

    jorb AllStar

    136
    1
    Mar 22, 2008
    Here is the scenario.
    Will the AM21 work with a HR54 genie? If it does?

    I want to upgrade to a HS17 Genie tower, but I want to retain the HR54 with an AM21 to use on my main 4k TV. The kicker is D* will not allow any other receivers on the account if you have a HS17 Genie tower.

    Can I tell D* that I'm using the HR54 in my Recreational Vehicle or at my vacation cottage to get the around the HS17 Genie tower only rule.

    Is it possible to connect a HR54 and a HS17 Genie tower to the same dish?
     
  13. Dec 6, 2019 #953 of 976
    texasbrit

    texasbrit Well-Known Member

    5,611
    177
    Aug 9, 2006
    No to all of that.You can't have more than one genie on the account. Period. If you have (and pay for) a completely separate account for the cottage or RV you can have a genie there.
    Just to remind you you are not supposed to move any of the receivers on the account to a second location.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2019 #954 of 976
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

    50,552
    2,142
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    There would need to be a benefit to freeing the space. AT&T|DIRECTV owns the transponders and isn't going to get any money back from discontinuing their use. Freed up, but what is the benefit? Without needing to feed spotbeams AT&T|DIRECTV would not need to have as many uplink centers and backhauls. So there would be some savings to the company. Any savings passed on to the customer would probably be minor or just an offset against routine increases.

    Free LCCs are a minor cost. A small device with some development costs added to a deployed receiver. Swapping out receivers for new ones with built in OTA would be more expensive. And when OTA tuners change in a couple of years the receivers would become obsolete. External modules make more sense.
     
  15. Dec 6, 2019 #955 of 976
    bjdotson

    bjdotson Legend

    448
    62
    Feb 20, 2007
    Not every senior citizen lacks tech knowledge. Got my first DVR 25 years ago; stripped down a coax cable to make an rf antenna so my remote could work through walls. Wrote computer programs in Basic and Fortran. Surfed the internet when it was only text based using a search engine called gopher. Started using the WWW before there was JAVA. Worked for the government so saw a demonstration of the WWW at the University of Utah directly from CERN. Worked on the Computer response team (and later in the computer department) at work starting in the late 1980s or early 1990s. I am 68, I think I could find a tv tuner input. You know what the say; "all generalizations are false" :)
     
  16. Dec 7, 2019 #956 of 976
    jorb

    jorb AllStar

    136
    1
    Mar 22, 2008
    I stand corrected, I'm sorry if I offended tech savvy senior citizens.

    It would be easier to RF modulate the Sat receiver's Audio & Video output into a unused ATSC digital RF channel. Then all a person would have to do is tune to that unused channel with the HDTV remote, and then pickup the Sat receivers remote to control Sat receiver.

    The real benefit of the AM21 and the LCC is not only that they can seamlessly integrate OTA channels into the Sat receivers channel line up, the real benefit is they insert 14 days of local OTA program channel guide info into the Sat receivers EPG. (Electronic Program Guide) Can't really do that with a RF modulator. But you could utilize the OTA PSIP EPG.

    .
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2019
  17. Dec 7, 2019 #957 of 976
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

    50,552
    2,142
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    The "input" button on my TV remote works nicely. And the remote integrates with my satellite receiver (changing channels, showing and selecting recorded content). If I choose to use the satellite remote the TV automatically turns on and off with a press of the power button on the satellite remote, and changes to the satellite input. My TV also changes to the correct input when I turn on my DVD/BluRay player.

    While "Smart TVs" vary, they can make things that were once hard easy.
     
  18. Dec 8, 2019 #958 of 976
    jorb

    jorb AllStar

    136
    1
    Mar 22, 2008
    Awhile back there was some VCRs that had composite inputs that inserted themselves into the NTSC tuner channel lineup. No need to access the composite AV source by using a dedicated button on the remote. You just used the channel up & down button to access the composite AV input source. The input was inserted in between channel 2 and channel 125
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2019
  19. Dec 8, 2019 #959 of 976
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

    50,552
    2,142
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    Many DISH receivers had built in modulators (I'm not sure about DIRECTV). But since it was NTSC it was all SD and nowhere near the quality that one can get today by using a HDMI connection or clients with a HDMI connection.

    Technology has changed, the "RF modulator" isn't as popular or as useful as it once was. On the good side, the price of ATSC modulators has come down, so one can do a HD channel insert with separate equipment. But the cost is still too high to build in to new receivers. Clients and HDMI work better and are more secure (open ATSC signals can be recorded on devices that do not protect copyright in the same ways as DIRECTV receivers).
     
  20. Scott McIntosh

    Scott McIntosh New Member

    7
    0
    Jan 24, 2020
    Tampa, FL
    I've had an LCC for a number of months. All I was interested in was watching MeTV, 32.2, WMOR. All was fine until that channel changed frequencies a couple of weeks ago. I ran setup again to get the correct channel mapping, which didn't work, until a rep asked to reset the settings first. That worked for a week. Come Tuesday morning all 32.2 was showing on the TV was a blank screen. It worked the night before.

    I've must of run setup 20 or 30 times trying to get 32.2 back. Each time I get slightly different results. What I do get are multiples of the same channel. In edit channels, I see for example, 3.1 repeated 5 times, 3.2 will be repeated 5 and so on. Sometimes 32.1, 32.2 and 32.3 are repeated 3 times each, sometimes 4. Sometimes I will see MeTV listed for the call letters and sometimes it will be WMORDT2. If I check signal strength only one sub-channel will have a strong signal, the other will say signal not acquired. I remove all channels and check the one that has the signal. When I added it to the guide, I see Bounce TV, which should be on channels 52.2 instead.

    I've unplugged the LCC and rebooted the Genie. None of that helps. Each time before I run setup, I always run reset setup first. I have no idea why this worked for months and now I end up with multiples of each channel and one is pointing to another channel. I called DTV and the rep told me that since I receive satellite fine and there are no disputes in my area, they don't care about the LCC. Can anybody help, please?
     

Share This Page

spam firewall