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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by sstv, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Feb 1, 2019 #121 of 258
    grover517

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    Slice, How can I give ATT credit for anything when all I see lately are service reductions, eliminations, off shore call centers and other changes that for decades were no problem for DirecTV pre ATT?

    My optimistic side wants me to believe that these are all "growing pains" due to the ATT transition and why would ATT do anything to destroy a profitable and widely liked company. But given all the issues we alone have seen in the past year or so since ATT took over, and I won't waste my time regurgitating here, my pessimistic side tends to win out and says there is a bigger picture here than simply another "dispute". Time will tell.

    And as for the LCC, correct me if I am wrong but from everything I have read about it, it's really nothing more than an AM21 in a new suit that is in reality another companies technology and all ATT did was create proprietary drivers for it so it would work with "some" of the current DVR's. It may be smaller and possibly have slightly more sensitive tuners in it but it still has a 2 tuner limit, puts off a lot of heat, requires more wiring and an antenna that is capable of receiving strong enough signals. And with digital signals now not able to penetrate many homes outer exteriors very well, the antenna they send with the LCC isn't going to work for many that can't place it in an optimal position such as a window or outer wall facing the broadcast towers and many got rid of their rooftop antennas long ago.

    So forgive me if I don't consider the LCC a true "step forward" and something to applaud ATT for and if it is truly considered by ATT to be a new weapon to strong arm local station owners to accept whatever ATT dictates to carry their signals going forward instead of simply an option for some, this is only going to get worse.
     
  2. Feb 1, 2019 #122 of 258
    scottchez

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    Look at it this way, Both Dish and Direct have a LCC now.
    They call them different things.
    Dish has not added OTA guide data in 3 years for most markets.
    Directv is now adding tons of guide data every month slowly.
    I would say Directv or someone should get credit for this. OTA guide data is a big things considering they ran out of space with the hex code issue years ago, they found a work around.
    There are Tons of Free Over the Air channels not uplinked on the sat, free.
    Some should get credit for adding the guide data. Maybe we send them a gift card?
     
  3. Feb 1, 2019 #123 of 258
    dod1450

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    Whey is Directv holding back on making the LCC available to everyone who would like to order it? Yesterday I called and they said California is not available to receive the LCC.
     
  4. Feb 1, 2019 #124 of 258
    scottchez

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    At least this time when you called, they even knew what one was, getting closer . . . .
    Maybe all CSRs need some training first on it before they will offer it nation wide, or maybe there is still a Pilot test with some known bugs to work out.
    Any one out there seeing any issues with the new LCC? Is it working good for you?

    QUESTION: I know one person here had some, could you please post a screen show of the Hardware summary screen showing model and device ID?

    The physical box looks the same as the Hauppauge AirTV (same case but white) by Dish and the USB Tuner by Dish (came case size and shape as the LCC) just with a different lable on it and different USB cable. If the device ID matches those others will work also.
     
  5. Feb 1, 2019 #125 of 258
    slice1900

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    Because they aren't ready to release it nationally yet. Maybe it still has some serious bugs, or they don't feel they've tested it long enough to feel confident it doesn't have any serious bugs.
     
  6. Feb 1, 2019 #126 of 258
    dod1450

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    Hick , I don't mind being a beta tester.
     
  7. Feb 1, 2019 #127 of 258
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    I did ask for VID_/PID_ but still waiting for an answer
     
  8. Feb 2, 2019 #128 of 258
    grover517

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    Here is some info I gleaned from the screen on my HR44 as well as the label on the LCC. If your looking for something else, tell me what screen info you want and I will do my best to provide it.

    HR44
    Antenna Type LCC
    Connection Status Connected
    Primary Local 34269
    Secondary Local None
    Ch's via Antenna 32
    Vendor ID 0xeb1a
    Product ID 0x5902

    Label on LCC
    Model: LCCR0X-38
    Made in China
    REG. M/N: E96
    DT P/N 216010
    5v: 1A
    ATT 20004511

    Compared to my AM21 that the LCC replaced, I did see some pretty large signal acquisition increases on some channels (were about 75 percent and now 100) where others stayed about the same even though all the channels tested were on the same tower about 25 miles away. I am not using the antenna provided with the kit. As for heat, the LCC gets warm to the touch but no where near what I was lead to believe in some other posts I had seen. HTH
     
  9. Feb 2, 2019 #129 of 258
    twiseguy

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    That's what I was wondering.
    If the LCC would be able to replace the AM21's I currently use on both my H24 & H25 receivers.
     
  10. Feb 2, 2019 #130 of 258
    jimmie57

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    We might get updated software but no telling how long that would be. I think they are pushing for everyone to have a Genie and clients from all that I read.
     
  11. Feb 2, 2019 #131 of 258
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    Great ... thanks ...

    Vendor: "eMPIA Technologies INC."

    Product: No listing for an ID of 0x5902 from that particular vendor.

    Sent from my LM-V405 using Tapatalk
     
  12. Feb 2, 2019 #132 of 258
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    Based on the ID which then took us to the Vendor name which then takes us to this Company web site that says they do USB Tuners for Sat.
    They have cool diagram. Bet these are they guys making it. They may also make them for other vendors like Haupauge, hard to know.

    28XXX – USB TV – eMPIA Technology
     
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  13. Feb 2, 2019 #133 of 258
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    chip.png Looks like the eMPIA chip also is the brand used on the Dish Network OTA Tuner (LCC).
    It is also what they use in the AIR TV which is owned by Echo Star who also owns Dish.

    See Post #40 here for the photo
    This means there is a chance the DISH Tuner or AirTV tuner might work if the device IDs match. Same Chip.
    Worth a try if anyone happens to have an old Dish system. Just plug in the tuner, see what it does.
     
  14. Feb 2, 2019 #134 of 258
    scottchez

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    Here is a side by side showing the 8178 chip set in the Dish USB Tuner. Same chip as shown on the hardware makers web site. So good chance Hauppauge made this using their chip.
    THIS IS GOOD NEWS. This a real good chip set to use for OTA. It really pulls in signals much better than the old AM21, I have used both the AM21 and the Dish USB Tuner, the Dish with the newer chip set is much better. Looks like the LCC will have the same chip is what I am saying.
    Chipmatch up.png
     
  15. Feb 2, 2019 #135 of 258
    HoTat2

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    Anyone know the Device IDs (or PIDs) of those other devices?

    As that's the only thing I can see preventing it from working on the DIRECTV Genies. If the firmware is looking for a PID of only 0x5902

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  16. Feb 2, 2019 #136 of 258
    Jodean

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    weird, i was getting better signal on my am21
     
  17. Feb 2, 2019 #137 of 258
    dod1450

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    Are you using the antenna that comes with the kit or an outdoor antenna?
     
  18. Feb 2, 2019 #138 of 258
    slice1900

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    The firmware will almost certainly look for a VID & PID match, but that same PID might be used in other products. These eMPIA chips are in several KWorld products, as well as Gadmei, Pinnacle and Terratec, and others, so the good news is that they aren't associated with just a single brand of devices.

    The odds are good there is or will be other USB tuners out there with the same PID that could be used as a substitute for the LCC. Before anyone gets excited and thinks maybe some of them will be capable of being powered via USB alone, I'll bet the reason the LCC doesn't is because Directv receivers output only the minimum power required by the USB spec, which must not meet the demands of the chip. USB tuners designed to plug into a PC would expect to be able to draw more power...
     
  19. Feb 2, 2019 #139 of 258
    slice1900

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    OK I did a little digging and that eMPIA EN28178 chip is the USB interface chip, NOT the ATSC chip. So just because another product uses it doesn't mean it will be compatible. You really need to find a VID/PID match to be sure.
     
  20. Feb 2, 2019 #140 of 258
    scottchez

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    If anyone does try a different brand as a test , be sure to use a powered usb hub so the power level is right. Like said above the usb port may not have enough power hence why they inclube a power end for the new LCC
     

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