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  1. Feb 8, 2019 #161 of 258
    scottchez

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    Yep,
    Many years ago Dish had an issue with some locals where if the customer was not paying for the Local channel via SAT, they also could not get the OTA guide data, there was a threat of a law suit, Cease and Disest
    Dish cleared this all up using their lawyers, and now offers everyone the option of $12 off their bill if they dont get the locals. Key is , It has to be NO locals via SAT due to some weird must carry law.

    In other words, typical legal issues delaying the LCC, so sad.
    It May take a while to work through the red tape.

    TILL THEN Directv is your listening, please just sell the LCC to customers that still pay to get their Locals. Work on the those that want to save $10 later in court if needed.
    (See attached test market screen shot of the $10 savings, yes it was posted before but is hard to find)

    Local carrage gets very confusing so guessing they are just working the paper work and legal research to be sure before they release this.
    One of the NBC stations must of objected to sent a CEASE and DISEST letter. Sad it takes just one to delay this.

    P.S. any one try the Dish or Air TV LCC, they are the exact same case, one is white other is black, you will need your own USB power as the Genie does not have enough for the Dish or AirTV (all same company owned by echo star) so use a POWERED USB hub.


     

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  2. Feb 8, 2019 #162 of 258
    James Long

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    The satellite carrier can choose not to carry a station that has chosen "must carry" but they cannot deliver one station in a market separate from the other stations in the market. If one local station has priced themselves to high they can be dropped and the more affordable stations can still be carried (along with the stations choosing "must carry" and not being paid for carriage). A similar rule applies to cable.

    A satellite carrier can allow their customers to opt out of locals. Unlike cable, locals are not required to be delivered to every customer. A customer opting out would receive no locals via satellite (satellite companies cannot sell locals individually).

    EPG delivery is separate and DISH now follows the path of passing EPG for most OTA stations (not all subchannels in EPG) even when the via satellite delivery is in dispute. It is a server to DISH's customers - and I am glad that they changed their policy of not carrying EPG during disputes. DIRECTV has been making major steps forward to improve their OTA EPG and move to making via satellite locals easier to drop on a customer by customer basis.

    As with DISH, DIRECTV is not required by law to force their customers to subscribe to locals. If one or many customers opt out DIRECTV can still deliver locals to the other customers in that market. The only restriction would be if there was a contract with a station that guaranteed delivery.
     
  3. scottchez

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    New Firm Ware rolling out national, time to test the LCC on the HS17 again just in case they put a driver in there.
    New = 11AA . should be to everyone by the 3/4 mobil change.
    They did not mention in it the testing release notes so probably not, but then again none of the testers have a LCC to try it with so why mention it in the notes.
    You never know till you try . . .
     
  4. grover517

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    And in the website under My Orders, it actually says "Local Channel Connector with Antenna (Customer Owned)" as the item ordered along with an additional line item that I didn't find enclosed with the LCC - "Attorney General Settlement LiL Disclosures".
     
  5. compnurd

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    I can guarantee you some of the testers have a LCC and have for awhile but are under a heavy NDA
     
  6. GordonGekko

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    Has there been any success reported in getting retentions to send you an LCC?
     
  7. scottchez

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    Only a few Cities are allowed to get a LCC
    Las Vegas is one of them.
    Here is the official web site for Vegas that says the LCC is only avl by phone. I you will find this I think for Salt Lake also (it was a pilot city, not sure if still is).
    Again more proof this thing is coming, we just dont when.
    It is the very top banner add with the phone number.

    "Local Channel Connector offer only available by phone."
    DIRECTV® North Las Vegas, NV – Official Site | 1-855-833-4388
     
  8. HoTat2

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    Though "Loyalty" (aka formally "Retention") has been head'n shoulders better than the frontline CSRs (who are totally clueless) in helping eligible people order the new LCC.

    Outside the official test areas, the system will not even let them send you one unless you have a local channel outage due to a contractual dispute.

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  9. 242424

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    You would think they would let the DMA's that they don't carry locals for have one.
     
  10. HoTat2

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    Logically they should ...

    But DIRECTV doesn't always do business logically ...

    Though still worth a try ...

    Eligible or not the most immediate problem is first finding someone who even knows what the LCC is.

    And Loyalty is your best option there. ...

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  11. slice1900

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    Those DMAs are very small and they probably don't have very many Directv customers due to the lack of locals.

    They also haven't added the subchannels in any of the 12 markets where Directv doesn't provide locals. If they were going to offer the LCC to those folks, they'd have already updated them.
     
  12. 242424

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    I might see more Dish here than DTV but Dish does offer locals here but Fox and ABC are SD
     
  13. slice1900

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    I wonder if Directv plans to eventually make the LCC an option for the 'Directv via IP' product? The trick is how they would connect it. Theoretically you could plug one into a C71KW's USB port, and it could share that programming with your other clients. The hardware is fine, they just need to write the software to make that happen. I'm kinda skeptical since Directv seems to go for the simple solutions only.

    I guess if it only works on the satellite product that would be part of the reason you might want to stick with it - and by dropping your locals and getting a discount it would help equalize the cost between the two (assuming that at minimum you won't pay the $15 advanced receiver fee for the IP product since you'll have no Genie)

    Of course it would be live only, since you don't have anywhere to record, which would make it a pretty poor option for most people.
     
  14. GordonGekko

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    I tried to find this answer online but to no avail, for those who had the AM21, will your receiver display settings work with the OTT channels, that is if you are scaling down to 480i or down to standard screen will it display the hd feed in pillarbox format as it does when you are watching hd channels on Directv and scaling down?
     
  15. HoTat2

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    Yes a received OTA program can be down-converted to 480i just like the satellite channels.

    And as with the sat. chs. if the native format of the received program is in HD and "16:9" is selected in the receiver settings. The 480i down-converted format will always be in 16:9 SD. So the only way to have a "pillar-box" display is if the station is broadcasting 4:3 material and inserts the matte pillar bars.

    However IIRC, (as it's been a long time since I've needed to use the 4:3 option in the receiver settings). If the received program is in HD and "4:3" is selected in the receiver settings. The 480i output can be either cropped to 4:3, or a 16:9 letter-box into 4:3. Or "vertically stretched" into 4:3 option for occasional cases of correcting for 16:9 stretch-o-vision images letter-boxed into 4:3.

    Whatever the case though, the receiver output will always be in 4:3 and thereby your TV set must generate the matte pillar bars to fill out the screen on an HD TV.

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  16. slice1900

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    Yes, everything about OTA programming is affected by receiver display settings in exactly the same way satellite programming is.
     
  17. spiketoo

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    Not sure if correct thread but beware the DB! Wasn't paying attention and went to record a show via 'Other Showings'. Went to watch it and it was showing as error. Only then did i realize that the first selection under Other Showings was PBS 8.2 which obviously I do not receive - just paid attention to '8'! Can't say I ever paid attention to what channel an Other Showing listed - if it was there I just selected it and recorded it!
     
  18. Michael H..

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    Question: Can someone from the LCC test markets confirm whether the LCC integrated OTA channels appear in their DTV or ATT login account online guide?
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    Have 9 DVR's with AM21's on 7 of them. The 2 that don't are HR20's which have built-in OTA tuners.
    Frankly I'm surprised at how much advanced interest the LCC's have generated given that such a small percentage of subscribers opted for the AM21's.
    Can't tell if the interest is from AM21 owners or from subscribers who weren't previously interested in the OTA subchannels or had no rain fade or carriage issues with the OTA primary feeds.
    What I'd like someone from the LCC test markets to confirm is whether they can schedule a recording of an integrated OTA channel online.
    The inability to do so is my only negative experience with the AM21 integrated OTA feature.
    I have no LIL programming, but I do have DNS channels 389-399 all of which appear in the online guide and can be scheduled remotely.
    390/391 CBS, 392/393 NBC, 396/397 ABC, and 398/399 FOX are HD.
    389 PBS and 394/395 CW are SD, so I record the integrated OTA PBS and CW in HD and not the DNS SD feeds when at home but am only able to remotely on the HR20's connected to the Sling 500 and Monsoon Vulkano when working remote assignments, which is most of the time.
    I would like to be able to schedule recordings remotely on the other DVR's, in particular the HR54.
     
  19. KyL416

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    The LCC FAQ already says that remote recording and in home streaming of OTA channels won't be available. (In addition to losing access to the broadcast networks TV Everywhere apps and VOD if you opt to drop locals entirely)

    Basically, the online guide has no idea what OTA channels you get, which primary and secondary markets you selected, or how it was mapped due to translators and other variations, etc. Unless down the road they decide to implement some two way reporting that remotely stores the OTA stations your Genie picked up in your account, it's not gonna happen.
     
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  20. Michael H..

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    Thanks for the response... I didn't think so... Wishful thinking...
     

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