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Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by mkpolley, Oct 19, 2007.
While there maybe nothing inherently wrong, I don't think its necessary. As I've said, I just think that when they do this they are looking for justification for the decision, even if it really doesn't make much sense and the reasons for doing so maybe good to them, but over the long term may not really accomplish anything. (maybe even in the short term)
Its possible that if they wanted NFL Sunday ticket, then thats a good reason if you really want to watch football non-stop, and that doesn't save anyone any money, that package is spendy.
As far as the Dish waking up and saving their company, where is there any indication that Dish is trouble? Up until what, the past week or two, Dish was the undisputed leader in HD programming, whether you liked all channels or not. Dish has added at least a dozen HD channels in the past couple months.. I doubt that they are the last.
To assume that just because D* after months and months of posturing for more HD and they finally deliver, to me doesn't place Dish at any significant disadvantage, its just going to take a little time for them to add whatever channels they feel will level the playing field or place then ahead or perhaps they'll make some other change that will change how the things are played.. I could think of a few things that would change the market place for Satellite and it doesn't require more channels.
I have my opinion and you have yours. I provided an example of the DVR per reciever fee vs D*'s DVR per account fee. Both are an utter rip off because they provide no service for the money but charging an extra $6 for every DVR is just utter and complete BS.
I said nothing about me wanting to leave because of HD. I'm sure eventually Dish will level off and both companies will have about the same HD. Not everyone who has left or is considering leaving is doing so just because of a few missing HD channels as my example shows. It may very well be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak.
Right now I can only watch HD on 1 of my 3 HD sets because Dish wants to charge me $36 a month for 3 DVR's - D* charges $20 for the same thing and $5 less for HD so that's $21 less for more HD.
D* = $5 box rental, $5 per account DVR fee
E* = $6 box rental, $6 per box DVR fee
DVR Boxes = 1,2,3,4
D* = $10, $15, $20, $25
E* = $12, $24, $36, $48
Are these numbers above correct? If so then Dish is really socking it to people with multiple boxes!
This is inexcusable and when I call Dish they cannot tell me what the DVR pays for. Yes D* charges a BS DVR fee also but it's for your entire account. While this is still wrong it's a hell of alot easier to swallow over being charges $6 for each DVR.
I know Dish will be restructuring things soon (I hope) and I'm waiting for the first of the year to see the new rates and packages. If the situation is the same in January then I too will be a former Dish customer of 8+ years.
And NOT because of a few missing HD channels.
And still no word from Dish.
Seems like a lot to me, too, but that's what the D* calculator keeps kicking back. There are five HD channels on D* right now that E* doesn't have and isn't discussing at the moment.
The big price difference appears to be charges for locals, superstations, HD, multiple receiver fee, etc.. etc..
I don't see those fees on D*, but maybe the rate calculator doesn't include the fine print.
I can get into a pair of HR20s, installed and dancing and the savings pay back in 10 months. It's all gravy after that. My HD storage goes from 25 hours to 100 hours and I can have SciFi-HD in a couple of weeks.
My concern with the E* buyout is that it is logical that they will be slower to roll out the new channels I want, kind of like D*'s lack of progress before New Corp picked them up. Now they are going great guns and are clearly in the lead. With no buyout, E* could just putter around conserving cash for a long time.
thanks for the input.
Don't fall into the trap of counting national HD channels to the exclusion of counting hours of HD programming. All but a couple of those exclusive channels are substantially lacking HD content.
This goes back to wanting CW for one (Smallville) or two hours (Smallville, Everybody Hates Chris) per week.
I don't think that #3 is a correct statement. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't TOS give D*, or E* for that matter, the right to change programming charges anytime during the xx month commitment?
yeah..you know what...mine are locked in because we agreed to the monthly auto payment....my bad.
you can actually record 3 programs at the same time (can they be in hd) and as you are recording those 3 programs you can watch 2 previously recorded programs at the same time. The receiver has 5 outputs are they all hd?
Wow that an amazing piece of equipment. I have 2 hd tv in the same room will that box give them both HD.
I know this is off topic but the vip 622 sounds awsome
I am with D* tv now and am happy but I did not no that box from dish could do all that .
The trouble with calculation is that it varies by what people need and what you can actually get from the provider. BOTH D* and E* want a return on their investments.
D* paid $879 million in subscriber acquisition costs ($677 per subscriber) in just the second quarter, plus $423 million in upgrade and retention costs. (This apparently includes $335 million for leased equipment.)
E* paid $376 million in subscriber acquisition costs ($654 per subscriber) during the second quarter. (This does NOT include the $361 million cost of leased equipment. Retention costs are not broken out.)
NEITHER company is going to willingly lose money on a subscriber ... D* will get their $677 out of each subscriber (and E* will get their $654) somehow.
I believe that a lot of people could save money by considering what they NEED. E* seems to penalize those who need more than the average, D* seems to penalize those who need less than the average.
For example, E*'s $6 "DVR Fee" only hurts customers with multiple DVRs ... a little more pain with each addition (just like the additional receiver fees that both charge). ALL DVR fees are waived for the high end "AEP package" (just as D* waives the fees on their high end "Premier" package).
But D* goes after the low end ... last February's price increases were HIGHER for customers with the low end packages (especially for new customers) and D* simply does not have a package comparable to AT100.
Neither company charges a lease fee on the first receiver, so your numbers are a little skewed right off the bat. If you have more than a couple HD displays with DVRs, E* can be quite a bit more expensive on a monthly basis. The up-front cost from D* may be substantially more (approximately $500 more for a four HD DVR system).
In a multi-HD E* system, SD receivers may not be required, but they would likely be in a D* setup.
E* doesn't charge DVR fees to its top consumer package (AEP) while D* does (Premiere).
In summation, it makes a huge difference what your planned setup is as to which of the two companies is a better buy and it cannot be boiled down to a System D versus System E table.
Not for extra DVRs
Only two outputs. The three recordings (all three can be HD or SD) go to the hard drive while the two playbacks (one SD one HD except in single mode where you're dealing with picture in picture on an HD screen) are being displayed.
TV1 out is HDMI/Component in HD and S-Video/Audio/Composite/RF in SD.
TV2 out is Audio/Composite/RF in SD.
More over in the 622 Support Forum!
The ViP622/722 have a single HD output and one independent SD output. It is still a much more capable machine than most any other in the business.
Yes ... AEP should include all DVRs.
(Additional receiver fees, which apply to D* as well, still apply).
Interesting...I have the AEP+ HD package...and when I asked E* about another DVR, they said I would be charged a monthly DVR fee...
New subscribers to D*'s Premier package do not qualify for the waived DVR fee.
That's what you get for asking a CSR. They just signed me up for AEP+DISH HD so that I would no longer have to endure the DVR fee.
Because I already subscribed to AT250+HBO/Skinamax, the price difference was about $5 to add SHO and Starz.
so since they are who help me when I contact E*...who do I talk to...don't have charlies cell number...again great customer service.
Perhaps the rules have changed since the beginning of the year.