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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by cj9788, Jan 10, 2010.
So, you're the one.
I think he was going to pay his staff while they were off the air as well, the $12 million is being called a supplement to what he was paying. Hopefully all that will get them through September.
Personally, I'd like to see CBS/Letterman hire O'Brien as the eventual successor to "Late Night." I admit I was never a fan of Leno but I don't think Fox is a secure place for late night TV. I don't even watch "Late Night" regularly but having watched Letterman go from morning show host, I'd say O'Brien's sensibilities are much closer to Letterman's than Leno's.
I know that I go through 12 million in 8 months, my wife keeps yelling at me to learn how to budget.
I'm the other.
Well i believe it's been said that he has something like 200 staff so that 12M divided equally is only (yeah, only ) 60K each. Should still be workable for 8 months.
Plus Conan is going to shell out $$$$ out of his pocket for his staff. That should put a dent in his 32million.
It's nothing personal, it's just business. Conan does look a little like Meg Ryan.
BTW the comparison of Obama's presidency to the Late Night circus last night on the Daily Show was priceless.
That doesn't apply to me, as I have no horse in the race. I don't watch any of the late night programs with any kind of regularity... so I'm not part of the demographic they count or "lose" when their ratings fluctuate.
You don't know what he signed the contract for any more than I or anyone else does. Your speculation is no more valid than anyone else unless you are part of the Leno inner circle of knowledge.
Actually... he did promise exactly that! On air! Jay Leno very clearly and concisely approx 5 years ago when the deal was done... said on air that he was going to pass the torch to Conan and did not want a repeat of what had happened in the past with him a Letterman.
So whatever else you may or may not believe... Jay Leno very much promised to go quietly into the night in a very public manner some 5 years ago.
We will never know, though, because NBC assured we would never know.
I've said before... IF Johnny Carson had went to a new show instead of retiring... I doubt Jay Leno would have had the success he had.
Conan had to contend with the "ghost of Jay" because all the fans of Jay could now watch him at 10pm and never be tempted to try Conan at 11:35... meanwhile, people who were turned off by Jay at 10pm bailed on their NBC local news and in turn Conan as well.
On all fronts, Conan's Tonight Show was sabotaged by NBC before giving it a chance at all. Not only that, but Leno had failed in the ratings to Letterman for at least the first year or two back in the day... so no telling what might have happened if Conan was allowed to go for a couple of years.
No matter how you slice it... NBC buggered this one up good and nobody wins.
You misread what you replied to. You said, "I have a hard time believing Jay was 'forced' to do anything." My comment was in agreement with yours, in reference to those saying that Jay was "forced"....
I know contract law -- however, regardless, as I said, it doesn't matter either way. No sense in arguing about it.
He did pass the torch to O'Brien. He gave up the Tonight Show. Conan O'Brien took it over. Leno did what he said he was going to do.
He did not say that he would go quietly into the night. You just wrote what he did say. You are essentially contradicting your own statement.
NBC gave him a chance. He failed. You may have wanted him to have more time. It wasn't your call.
I'm sure it makes anti-NBC people feel better to think that. However, I think such a conclusion ignores very important realities.
Apparently Conan's team is going to get something around $12 million while he gets $33 million. Of course, I don't know how much the guy who handles the teleprompter is going to get, but it sounds like a fair deal.
As I noted above, every time there was a transition in the "Tonight Show" beginning in the 1950's NBC seems to bungle it particularly from a PR standpoint. But NBC is still here.
Ah! Somebody DID win. His name is David Letterman.
As memory serves me, Leno did not overtake Letterman until NBC's lead in programming had built up a gigantic 10-11 PM rating advantage.
It took a couple of years before Leno completely took the reign from Letterman. A lot of people like to point to the Hugh Grant interview as the turning point. Unlike the definite undercutting Leno sticking around did to O'Brien, I don't buy many of the excuses for Letterman usual second place finish to Leno. I think Letterman is far better at his job than Leno. Most media and television critics tend to agree. But I don't feel like it's out of line that more viewers prefer Leno, with or without the help of lead-ins. People have different tastes and what is "the best" is not always the most popular.
As Jay himself explained the other night, he was prepared to leave Tonight. NBC offered him the 10 o'clock spot to keep him from going somewhere else. As he said, he was brought up to take work when it was available, so he did. People are blaming him for screwing up Conan's success, but it isn't true. Conan stumbled from the very beginning, before Jay even had his show on the air. Conan is an acquired taste and America wasn't making him the hit Leno was.
Not liking Leno is one thing, blaming him for everything that went down is not factual. As several posters have said, it is a business. If Conan had garnered good ratings from the start there wouldn't have been any discussions about Tonight Show changes. With half the ratings, revenue was down and NBC had a problem to fix. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you stay with Conan while losing millions each month hoping his ratings would climb? Would you think about bringing back the guy who had it before to bring the ratings back up? Would you do something else?
I think I figured out what caused this whole problem. After Leno gave up the show to Conan, Conan didn't yell "No backsies!" That could've prevented all this hullabaloo.
Jay Leno's speech the other night is the one thing that convinced me that he is an utter fraud. Letterman always made comments to that effect, but I assumed it was sour grapes on his part.
The Tonight Show is meant to be the pinnacle of NBC's late night line-up. To have a talk show air an hour earlier, hosted by the previous host, on the same network, at the same studio, in the same city, completely undercut the ability for O'Brien's Tonight Show to be seen by potential guests as the must-do talk show on NBC.
Jay Leno, in his speech, acting like he just got off a bus from Kansas and not understanding "big city ways" is ludicrous. The link to Letterman's commentary in my previous post perfectly elucidates the conniving way Leno uses his "nice guy" image.
I had grown tired of Conan myself... but I've also grown tired of Letterman... and I never liked Jay Leno. I miss Johnny Carson, but even when he was on I didn't watch every night of the week.
Still... I hope Tonight show ratings continue to be low after they put Leno back... not because I have a grudge against Leno or root for Conan... but because NBC needs to have some bad results to (hopefully) help them learn something.
1. Should have kept Leno in the first place, and never promised the show to Conan. Allowed Conan to leave and go elsewhere if he wanted when his Late Night contract was up.
2. Stuck to the deal with Conan and let Jay Leno out of his contract, so he could have pursued another show on another network if he so chose.
I don't like Leno... but I don't blame him for taking the job back. I just wish he'd be more honest about it and say what I'm sure is true... that he didn't really want to leave in the first place. As for Conan, he shouldn't be too surprised given how NBC has a poor track record in the Late Night host-treatment scenario.
Me too. Maybe they could run old shows with Johnny....
I wish they'd drop the whole talk/variety show format.