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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by MikeW, Dec 31, 2005.
I guess you havent "felt the joy" with the r15
Why should I when I have the best DVRs on the planet, a Philips DSR704 and DirecTV R10
Yet another brilliant marketing touch by Charlie and his hapless minions:
what a cheap bastard, Encore Love is only available with a subscription to a higher tier package? What's the point of having the channel? And are people too lazy to hit 1-2-8 on the remote to watch WE?
Encore Love is being substituted for Lifetime Movie Network. As LMN was only available in AT120 or higher, such is the same for Encore Love. If you were able to previously receive LMN, you now see the replacement channel.
I think that it is all relative as to which package you want and how many receivers you want. An argument could be made to subscribe to either service with any package. I agree that D* has a generally better programming value, but AT180 to new subs would be $55/mth for 2 TVs and TC Plus would be $51/mth. Many people think that the encore channels and 2 TMCs are worth 4 more bucks, also if you have 4 T.V.'s with independent viewing with E* you would pay $60/mth and with D* $61. I think that it is a case by case basis to determine what is best for whom.
In my opinion, D* has lifetime right now and E* doesn't. That is a deal breaker. I would miss TNTHD though, but not more than my wife misses lifetime. I'm gonna be $400 out of pocket to get switched over, but that is a lot less than I have spent on my E* IRDS, and I figure if I sell my E* stuff and get $300 in D* rebates I'll fair pretty well with the transition.
Bottom line, Charlie has about a week (maybe 2) to get this fixed before I switch. Right now I am at $77/mth with E*, with D* I would be at $85/mth and I will lose TNTHD (but get universal, I don't think that is a good trade though), HBO Comedy, and my Sirius music. I will pick up Lifetime Real Women for the wife and Oxygen, and will pick up XM. So for me it's a bad move for my TV enjoyment, but my wife will be happier.
I guess the dual tuner receivers with Dish is one thing to consider. Also, getting HBO/Cinemax for $17 is a good deal. On Directv the price is $23 for HBO/Cinemax and you only get 2 Cinemax channels and one west feed while Dish has 4 Cinemax channels and one west feed.
Also that is what keeps basic cable service popular since you can have it on as many TVs without extra outlet fees.
I can just see the a la carte choices now. ESPN/Lifetime1 will be geared toward women during the day and men at night. Then there will be ESPN/Lifetime2 that will be geared toward men during the day and women at night. If you want to watch both games, you will need to buy both channels.
I don’t see this as about picking sides E vs. Lifetime. These press releases seem useless. It is simply about getting the best service at the lowest price. How to get us that is Charlie’s problem to solve.
I wonder how many subscribers have been lost so far?
When they take the free preview channels off there are going to be a lot of angry customers if they don't have the Lifetime channels back by then.
I don't know about that but judging from message boards this is going to have a bigger backlash than the Viacom fiasco.People are just tired of Charlie's antics.He does this to save us money is so laughable.Next years increase 3-4 dollars Lifetime or no Lifetime.
If your estimate is correct, Lifetime loses $6M by not signing a new contract with E. I just don’t see E losing $21M worth of subs over this deal. I know other people have implied that Charlie is negotiating from a position of weakness, but I don’t see it that way. It is always interesting seeing these deals negotiated, because it costs Lifetime very little to be added to E, so it is an almost pure profit transition for them. But then again, if Lifetime gave every service provider a good deal, they would be off the air. I would be willing to bet there are huge discrepancies between what providers pay for channels.
For 2004 the average monthly revenue per subscriber for Dish Network was $54.87. Annualized that's $658.44. $21,000,000 / $658.44 = 31,894 subscibers. That means that less than three-tenths of one percent of Echostar's 11 million or so subscribers need to leave for Charlie to take the bigger loss.
$21M doesn’t look so big, when you put it in %. I still don’t see 3/10% canceling, but it could happen.
0.3% = 360,000 subscribers = 1 out of 333 subscribers. If there was that kind of a loss in subscribers we would find out when we get the quarterly totals. That is about the amount of gain that Dish Network gets. I am thinking that Dish Network does all of these figures to see if they stand to lose more than they gain by taking the channel off.
3/10% is a lowball number. If I check in on my wife it's 50/50 she's watching lifetime. Go over mom's house 75/25 she's watching lifetime. I stop over grandma's house, 90%.
I have no reason to believe the females of my family are too different in their viewing habits than the average female. This could be a HUGE blow to E* if it does not get resolved in a reasonable amount of time.
If Lifetime is really the 8th ranked station as one of the earlier posts suggested, it could easily be 3/10 of a percent canceling to go to a provider that has the channel.
Again, my bigger concern in all this is that this is the third time E* has done (or been on the verge of doing) something like this recently - Viacom, OLN, Lifetime. The only comment element in there is E*. And you don't see other providers going through the same sturm and drang for contract renewals.
It is a really bad pattern E8* needs to break.
not true Time warner dropped amc classic last year in a dispute with cablevision... Cable does it ALL the time . E* just has a much larger NATIONAL presence
You're right, I meant three-hundredths of a percent.
I agree. Lifetime just has made for TV movies don't they? I don't thnk its worth an increase. I wrote to firstname.lastname@example.org & said negotiate with Oxygen & Ovation.