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Discussion in 'The OT' started by lee635, Feb 19, 2004.

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  1. lee635

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    "...And it puts him on a different planet from President Bush, who accepted more money from lobbyists last year alone than Kerry has in the last 15.

    [Gene Kimmelman, senior director of public policy and advocacy for the nonpartisan Consumers Union] As for Bush, Kimmelman says his "administration has bestowed enormous benefits on the largest corporate entities at the expense of consumers' safety and pocketbooks."

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  2. Nick

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    Again, I'm not sure what your point is, but here is my response - lifted from your own article:

    "...while Kerry may be opposed to these special interests, he is indebted to other ones -- in particular, environmental groups and labor unions."
     
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    Oooohhh! Not those people who want clean air and water and to reduce our dependency on foreign oil! And horrors! John Kerry owes some favors to the working class in this country!:eek2: What a monster he must be!

    Gee, thanks Nick. I might be able to get excited about this guy after all.:D
     
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    Nick, you don't know what the point is? You aren't normally that dense.

    But thanks anyway for clearing things up for me. If I had any doubts about voting for Kerry and against Bush, I don't have that problem anymore. :D :lol: :grin:
     
  5. HappyGoLucky

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    Yes, I keep seeing those "talking points" the GOP has against Kerry, with "coming from wealth and priviledge" and "beholden to special interests" at the top. And I have to wonder, who the f* are they kidding? In both of those categories, Kerry is minor league compared to Bush.
     
  6. Nick

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    "Working class?" Karl Marx would be proud. You reveal your socialist proclivities with such language. Please do not refer to the American people as your so-called "working class".

    The quote refers to Kerry's ties with 'labor unions' which, in reality, means Kerry's obligations to corrupt union bosses.

    The vast majority of American workers are not members of labor unions. Of course Kerry has no obligation to them, does he?
     
  7. Bogy

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    There you go again, bringing up Karl Marx. You Nazi. :lol: :D
     
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    Nick, what would Marx say about that decadent, exploitive pic under your name??? ;)

    And yeah, Bush is the friend of Joe Sixpack. He's given Joe Sixpack more "free time" than any he's had in years. ;)
     
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    Ummm, sorry. I didn't know I was hiding my "socialist proclivities".;)

    However, your comments "reveal" your own proclivities. The "vast majority of American workers", probably including yourself, would not enjoy anywhere near the affluence they do without the efforts of the labor union movement. Reagan tried to sell us "trickle down economics". In reality, what really works is TRICKLE-UP! When the working class, yes, the WORKING CLASS, receives higher wages and benefits for their families, it raises all boats, INCLUDING those of the "business class".

    I never cease to be amazed(dumbfounded really) that when people organize themselves with the sole purpose of making money, ie business corporations and partnerships, they are characterized as sterling examples of entrepeneurship and the American way. But if people organize themselves to insure a decent minimal income and benefits for themselves and their families, they are "corrupt union bosses". And as an aside, the fact this is a widely held belief is an example of just how "liberal" the media really is.
     
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    I thought "trickle down" was when you were at summer camp and you found out in the middle of the night that the kid in the bunk above you was a bed wetter. :lol:
     
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    It's "class warfare", management style.
     
  12. Nick

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    How DID you know? Well, that kid in the upper grew up to become -- you guessed it -- a bed-wetting liberal. :hurah: :lol:
     
  13. Bogy

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    Nick, you got it wrong again. He grew up to be president. Same concept as the original trickle down. :lol:
     
  14. Nick

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    Time for your pain pill, Bogy. :uglyhamme
     
  15. Bogy

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    Nah, not for a few months yet. :lol:
     
  16. lee635

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    Here's a page showing how much each candidate received in donations. Pres. Bush leads in PAC donations with over $2 million so far; Kerry has accepted $0 PAC donations.


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  17. HappyGoLucky

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    I'm beginning to feel a slight bit of optimism. With Bush pandering to seemingly every point on the political spectrum, he's actually causing many of his so-far steadfast supporters to question his motives and convictions. I've even heard die-hard republicans now saying they'll be voting for Kerry because they just do not feel Bush has their interests at heart. I think people are coming out of the fog Karl Rove generated and now see that no matter what Bush may say, he does nearly the opposite. He isn't a "uniter", he has caused more division in this country than anyone else since Lincoln. He isn't "compassionate" nor "conservative". As Ann Richards once said, he is all hat and no cattle.
     
  18. lee635

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    Bush is busy uniting anyone with a fat wallet.
     
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    Uniting their money with his campaign fund. :D
     
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