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'Logo Network bails on gay-centric TV programming'

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by APB101, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. ejbvt

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    This is why Directv should have the "Sports Lovers" pack, which includes all of the sports channels (including Spanish ones) and a very few "basic" cable channels (CNN, Comedy, Nick, Disney, TBS, TNT, USA, etc). Add the HD Extra for Smithsonian, Palladia, and add Planet Green and H2 to the HD Extra (of course continuing whatever oversight causes us to have unlimited free access!) and you've got a package. With locals, AM21 for AntennaTV, MeTV, RTV, and This, and also with Audience, you've got a decent selection of sports, classic shows, and non-crap. This is fantasy land, I realize, but still... it would be nice.

    Maybe what we need is the "Reality Free" Package. If a channel goes crap, it gets dropped. If a channel moves it's good shows to a new channel, the new channel gets added. As long as it's not a 90% reality-show channel, it's in the package. Now I'm really in Fantasy Land.
     
  2. lokar

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    I like your idea, I would really like to know why D* doesn't have clauses in their contracts that when a channel drops its focus or shifts to reality TV crap or otherwise makes a big change in programming that they can then drop the channel.
     
  3. harsh

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    Logo has been available in HD through providers other than DIRECTV for some time.

    If SD availability is the issue, there's only a small number of channels (fewer than 20?) that aren't also in SD.
     
  4. harsh

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    Remember that DIRECTV (along with most other carriers) reserves the right to drop channels without adjusting your package pricing.
     
  5. harsh

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    I hadn't noticed. All I watch is the scenic beauty of Guy's Night In programming that is frequently interrupted by MMA commercials.
     
  6. mreposter

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    According to the AVS chart Dish is the only one that carries Logo-HD, and some comments on the Dish boards have indicated that it's not full HD, just the SD signal up-res'd.

    If I remember correctly, Dish put Logo HD in the equivalent of their HD+ Pack.
     
  7. mreposter

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    Like it or not, that reality crap is popular. The History Channel can attract a far larger audience with something like Ice Road Truckers than they can a documentary about the Inupiaq, Yupik, and Aleut indigenous people of that far northern state.

    Maybe they should try "Livin' Good in Livengood, Alaska with the Real Yupik Babes of the North Slope." (population, 29)
     
  8. Drew2k

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  9. lokar

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    I don't like it but concede you are right. American Idol's popularity completely mystifies me as it doesn't seem a lot different from Star Search back in the '80s and '90s except that you hear from the judges, plus at least Star Search had variety. It was nice to be able to turn on History or Discovery to see something interesting and now even they have gone to crap. The tipping point to me happened when Discovery HD started showing car shows all the time.
    To paraphrase Roger Waters, we are rapidly getting to the point where there is 120 "channels of %^&* on the TV to choose from." But I hope they don't make your reality show, I would be tempted to watch it and then get mad at myself :D
     
  10. Church AV Guy

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    Me too, but you know what, its popularity is really decreasing this year. I am guessing, but I think it is due to the change in judges. At any care, it regularly gets beaten by some CBS sitcoms.
     
  11. zimm7778

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    Yeah but the other shows like it are doing well aren't they? People may be getting tired of Idol, but not that type of show unfortunately.
     
  12. Scott Kocourek

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    We moved this from the DIRECTV Programming forum to the TV Shows forum because it's not a DIRECTV only channel. This forum fits the topic a bit better and allows all of our members to participate in it.
     
  13. Drew2k

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    So we may see some more L or G or B or T members posting? Cool...

    And let's not forget the Q, and those who are none of the above. :)
     
  14. Nick

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    For those seeing this thread about the LOGO channel for the first time, may I suggest that you read it from the beginning. Some very interesting posts.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    Late to the thread since it was just moved into this forum...

    Logo always struck me as similar to BET in terms of an unsuccessful model.

    I'm not comparing being gay to being black, mind you, but rather the notion many people have that different groups all like/want the same thing because of being in a particular group.

    I haven't known a lot of black people who loved BET... similarly, can't say I know a lot of gay people who like Logo. It's like someone said "make a channel and call it the gay channel and gay people will watch" which seems to be what the folks at BET did for black people.

    The Cosby show was brought up earlier in this thread... that show worked for mainstream audiences because it was a show about a family... all races could identify AND simultaneously Cosby wasn't shying away from being about a black family... rather it was pointing out that all families have similar issues in life.

    I always hate the token black or token gay character... someone just there to attract an audience or check a box on the diversity form. Gay characters shouldn't have to be extras or in the background but just like in real life, being gay is rarely the defining characteristic of a person.

    Bringing the point around even further... I don't think there are "straight" channels or shows. By which I mean... I don't think any show's "hook" is that it is about straight people. Sure the characters may be straight and the show explores their world... but the show isn't about being straight.

    To take a major left turn... Anyone watch the Walking Dead? Some mistakenly think it is a show about zombies... it isn't. It is a show about how the world falls apart and it brings out the best and the worst of people when faced with a zombie apocalypse. Zombies are the tool to tell the story.

    Buffy, similarly, wasn't about vampires and monsters... Buffy was about teenagers growing up and facing decisions and dangers in real life... and the vampires and monsters were just part of the world they lived in and a tool to tell the story of those characters growing up and finding themselves.

    Buffy even explored an interesting side of being gay... that being, Willow was a gay character... but in the show, the character herself noted she hadn't always been gay... and specifically, had only really been attracted to one (eventually two) women... her being gay was less about being gay and more about not being pigeonholed into any kind of stereotype or limits when it came to being in love.

    Anyway... long story short.. Logo probably gets some things right, but probably gets a lot of things wrong... just like many other channels out there. Maybe they can make some positive steps to grow their audience without losing the ones they have now.

    What a show like the Cosby show does for race relations... I don't think there has been a show like that with gay characters... by which, I mean a show about characters who are gay that has an appeal to a wider audience, that draws in non-gay viewers who then learn gay people really aren't that much different than themselves.
     
  16. sigma1914

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    I wouldn't say BET is an unsuccessful model like Logo. BET was the 24th rated primetime cable network last year, coming in ahead of ESPN2, Bravo, Travel and E! to name a few.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/76679201/Cable-Time-Period-Rank-2011
     
  17. phrelin

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    Darned! Thanks for moving this to the TV Show Talk area.

    The problem with niche channels in our packages is that they survive because they are in our packages, not because they have been proven to attract subscribers or advertisers.

    At some point the economic model of inclusive packages will have to change. When it does, I believe there will be niche channels that survive and niche-turned-general-programming (read "reruns" most of every day) channels that won't. They choose to become more general because they can't sell enough ads to satisfy investor's expectations and they can't get enough money from subscribers.

    Regarding the subject of this thread, Nick's post is right on in that the gay and lesbian members of our family really don't identify themselves in a stereotyped group except to the extent there is discrimination to object to:
    The fact is "Modern Family" on ABC, with its gay couple amidst the rest of the family similar to the experience of most gays and lesbians today, is one of the most popular shows on broadcast TV among the live viewers.

    LOGO would have been an interesting experiment if Viacom had been willing to take a risk. Pull it out of the packages, offer it à la carte at $4 a month, offer more mainstream but LGBT-attracting original programming like "Modern Family", and sell limited advertising also. But the Viacom's and NBCU's of the world aren't willing to take the risk of having no minimum income stream.
     
  18. James Long

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    I have not looked at the ratings but I have always thought of BET and LOGO in the same light. Both channels have a strong focus on one section of society. And, in a way, that focus is exclusionary.

    Being exclusionary is not a bad thing ... if people want to watch "regular" programming with gay characters they can watch Bravo or any of the major networks. I believe we are beyond the point where shows had a token gay character just like we are past the point of having token black characters - especially with the token character playing a stereotype. We have shows where the differences between black and not, gay and not, is simply not the show's theme and the PERSON is treated just like another character on the show, not as a joke.

    Changing to a channel that features more programming with good LGBT characters instead of programming that focuses on LGBT issues widens the audience. Perhaps that isn't a bad thing.
     
  19. russ9

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    Press Release:
    LOGO announces the first show in its new line-up: "So, Let Me Get This Straight" - A comedy about a gay couple who decide to give the 'other team' a try.
     

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