Long time DirecTV customer moving to FiOS and TiVo

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  1. Jun 6, 2014 #81 of 362
    damondlt

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    Sure , but its not everyday one has a truck roll, And I'm not slipping a Tech $50 to give me a piece of leased equipment .
     
  2. Jun 6, 2014 #82 of 362
    peds48

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    I never said that leaving DirecTV wrong, so dont put words that I have never said. The whole debate is over hardware which seems like you miss the boat by coming a tad late to shine in.
     
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    peds48

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    It can be had free (maybe?) by calling the 1-800. only they can tell you.
     
  4. Jun 6, 2014 #84 of 362
    damondlt

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    No it can't Try $450

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  5. Jun 6, 2014 #85 of 362
    peds48

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    An HR24 $450.00?


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  6. Jun 6, 2014 #86 of 362
    peds48

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    being pleasant does not means $50.00


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  7. Jun 6, 2014 #87 of 362
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    One quick note on some of the discussion of whether TiVo is a waste of money or not. I don't have TiVo because I really like VOD. Losing that would be a problem for me. Also, I don't mind Verizon's guide s/w - I think their s/w is more tailored to people who prefer to watch live TV than watch recorded content, although I think it does a pretty nice job of handling recorded content too. If you're a channel/guide surfer (like I am) then I think their s/w is actually better than TiVo's. if you're more on the side of recording everything you watch, and wanting the DVR do the work of finding stuff for you to watch, then it's clear that TiVo is much better. Really it comes down to personal preference. As to the cost (the point of the post), just realize one thing (for those who balk at the up-front cost), a TiVo with a lifetime membership will retain probably 80% of its value for years. If anyone doubts that, go onto eBay and take a look at what older TiVo models are going for on there. I think you'd be shocked. So, when you upgrade, you can trade in your old unit (sell it) and get most of your money back, to put to a new unit.

    On top of that, TiVo has been known to run special deals for existing subscribers when forced to upgrade. That happened recently with Verizon customers. When Verizon started migrating channels to mpeg-4, folks with the older models were given a special deal to upgrade to the Roamio.

    If it weren't for access to VOD, I would be a TiVo customer myself.
     
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  8. Jun 6, 2014 #88 of 362
    Steve

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    Good point I hadn't thought of. I don't use on-demand often, but I'll sometimes want to see a show folks are talking about that I didn't think to record, and having the ability to see it after the fact is very handy. It happened just last week, with Undateable.
     
  9. Jun 6, 2014 #89 of 362
    damondlt

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    Our cable company will have ON Demand with TIVO.
    :)

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  10. Jun 6, 2014 #90 of 362
    MysteryMan

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    On 3 June 14 AT&T filed a statement with the Securities and Exchange Commission saying they expect cost synergies to exceed $1.6 billion over the first three years following the completion of it's merger with DirecTV. Not bad for acquiring a dinosaur.
     
  11. Jun 6, 2014 #91 of 362
    damondlt

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    Call them, I already did.
    D12 $150
    H25 $250
    HR24 $450
    Genie Not for Sale
    4 tuner 500GB Basic Tivo Roamio $169.99 at BestBuy right now.
     
  12. Jun 6, 2014 #92 of 362
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    I don't understand why a lot of people complain about D* charging a premium for their service. I just compiled all of the numbers for comparable packages and equipment across the 3 providers available in my area (D*, E*, and Suddenlink). D* is the highest but only by $2 over E*. Suddenlink is quite a bit cheaper than both but is missing several channels that are available on both SAT providers. I've outlined the detailed charges below for reference.

    As for innovation, I've been very happy with the recent moves by D*. I think their IPad app is great (I've not used other provider's apps so I can't compare them). I've also noticed that D* is listed as a provider for several TV apps where many others are not. Plus the HR44 and Genie Go system is SUPERIOR to the Hopper IMO.

    To each their own, I suppose. TV packages differ widely from carrier to carrier so it really all comes down to who has what you want for the best price. I think it's unfair to classify D* as charging significantly more for the same service when most providers are relatively close in cost.

    Cost comparison with no promotions or discounts
    DirecTV
    Ultimate = $82
    HD Fee = $10
    DVR Fee = $10
    Whole Home Fee = $3
    Addtl Outlet Fee = $6
    Total: $111

    Dish Network
    Top 250 = $80
    HD Fee = $10
    DVR Fee = $12
    Addtl Outlet Fee = $7
    Total: $109

    Suddenlink
    SL200 = $55
    Family Package = $8
    Sports and Info Package = $8
    DVR Fee = $15
    Addtl Outlet Fee = $7
    Total: $93
     
  13. Jun 6, 2014 #93 of 362
    damondlt

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    Here let me show you my Cable company VS Directv including my home internet, since I need it regardless.

    Directv
    • Premier $129.99
    • Advanced Receiver Fee $25 (Genie)
    • HR24 $6
    • HR23 $6
    • H25 $6
    • C31 $6
    • Protection Plan $7.99
    • HD Extra Pack $4.99
    • RSN Fee $3.36
    • 15 MBPS Cable internet $67.95
    • 6% sales Tax
    • Total $279.08 per month
    • Plus $400 in equipment upfront and under contract
    • Grand total 24 months $7098
    Blue Ridge cable with Tivo Receivers
    • Digital HD Basic+ $92.56
    • Tivo Roamio $14.99
    • Tivo Roamio $12.99
    • Tivo Mini $5.99
    • Tivo Mini $5.99
    • Outlet Charge $2.00
    • Additional outlet $.50
    • Cable Card $5.95
    • Cable Card $5.95
    • HBO, Max, Show, TMC,Starz,Encore $45.95
    • Internet 15 MBPS $52.95
    • 6% sales tax
    • Total $260.57 per month
    • Tivo Roamio $169
    • Tivo Roamio Plus $349
    • Tivo Mini $99
    • Tivo Mini $79 ( just quoted these prices 30 minutes ago right from Tivo sales line.
    • Total $738
    • Cost over 2 Years Total $6,992
    Sure, Minimal difference, But I can buy what I want and sell what I don't want and Upgrade.

    I just about Have my mind made up.
    Once my MLB EI is paid Up , I very well be making the switch.
    Maybe I'll be back when I can Bundle my Phone with Att.
     
  14. Jun 6, 2014 #94 of 362
    dpeters11

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    I can understand them not offering a genie considering their policy, but those other prices are nuts, if that's leased.

    You can get a 44 from Solid Signal for $150 less than that HR24 price, or the 24 for $200.

    I would check DirecTV's site, but it's currently offering me an HD DVR for free.
     
  15. Jun 6, 2014 #95 of 362
    damondlt

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    Thats owned.
    We were discussing resale, which leases are just throwing money in the garbage.
    What Directv wants even for a Standard lease For HR 24 from solid signal you can Buy a 4 Tuner Roamio and sell it in 2 years for most likly at least $100.
    Even if you paid $450 for Directv HR24, in 2 years you'll be lucky to get $250 out of it.
     
  16. Jun 6, 2014 #96 of 362
    damondlt

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    Yep , What DVR? And another 24 months.
    No thanks don't need commitments on equipment thats not mine ever!
     
  17. Jun 6, 2014 #97 of 362
    dpeters11

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    Just standard luck of the draw HR2x. I'm not getting one, I'm satisfied with what I have and do want to keep options open whether it's the ability to get the next class of box, go to fioptics if they have a great deal that includes gigabit Internet that rolls out this fall etc.
     
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    damondlt

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    I got lucky, I got a 24 when I took the "free" offer.
    But my sister got Hr21 LOL!
     
  19. Jun 6, 2014 #99 of 362
    Diana C

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    Do you realize that what you say here is self-contradictory? You start by saying "There is no need to lie." And then talk about getting a truck roll and make a comparison to an electrician being in the house to "fix" something. HOW DOES ONE GET DIRECTV TO SEND A TECHNICIAN TO "FIX" SOMETHING WHEN NOTHING IS BROKEN?

    Answer: you have to lie. You have to pretend you have a reception problem.

    Further, you know when you start this charade that you are gaming the system. You are doing this to get something at a more favorable price than if you went through "official" channels. Perhaps you are proud of your ability to manipulate the system to get what you want, but in my opinion this exactly where DirecTV has gone wrong. But, if you look at the numbers, it seems to be working for DirecTV so there is little point to discuss this further. For me, the decision was simple:

    DirecTV
    Premier Programming: $129.99
    6 additional outlet fees: $36
    HD fee: $10
    DVR fee: $10
    Whole Home fee: $3
    Regional Sports fee: $3.63

    Total: $192.62 per month

    FiOS TV
    Ultimate HD Programming: $90.00
    2 Multistream Cablecards: $9.98
    No HD fee
    No DVR fee
    No Whole home fee
    No regional sports fee

    Total $99.98 per month without factoring the first 2 year discounts of $45 per month

    Even if we ignore the cost of hardware and don't include discounts, FiOS saves us $92.64 per month for the same service and content.

    Now, let's deal with hardware and discounts. I spent $2269.98 on TiVo equipment (all with lifetime service), but I am getting $45/month in discounts from Verizon for 24 months. That $1080 in savings. If I apply that to the TiVo hardware costs, the net cost is $1189.98. That is almost $300 LESS than I have paid DirecTV in equipment acquisition fees. What makes that worse, is that the money I paid DirecTV was a pure expense. The money I paid for the TiVos is an investment since I own and can resell the the equipment. In 2 years, should I want to sell it, I can reasonably expect to recoup at least $1600.

    So, simply looking at this as a two year experiment:

    Programming savings: $2,223.36 (not including discounts)
    Plus discounts: + 1,080.00
    Plus resale value of the TiVos: 1,600
    Less hardware costs: - 2,269.98

    Net savings: $2,633.38

    So, even if at the end of 2 years I decide I liked DirecTV better, I can come back with an extra $2600 in my pocket. If I find I like FiOS TV just fine, then I pocket $1,100 per year in programming savings until I decide to upgrade my TiVos (at which point, I'm still way ahead since I would sell the old units, and am still saving over $1000 a year on programming). Maybe the fanboys don't like the results of this analysis, but the facts are not in dispute.

    True, the TiVos can't access Verizon VOD. But they have Netflix and Hulu Plus apps built-in (we have subscriptions to both) and access to Amazon Instant Video for PPV. Plus, TiVo Suggestions are quite good. Someone earlier mentioned a series that that they heard about after the premiere which sounded interesting. Well I can't tell you how many time exactly the same thing happened back when we had TiVos through DirecTV, and 9 out of 10 times we found that premiere episode in our suggestions folder. And of course, FiOS doesn't have Sunday Ticket. But the only football fan in our house is a Jets fan, so NFLST is a non-factor for us.

    So, in end, we decided we would be foolish not to do this.
     
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  20. Jun 6, 2014 #100 of 362
    dpeters11

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    In the end, it's just TV and we all have to do what is best for us. It's subjective. I like having these new ways of getting service with IPTV, it was only cable and satellite for far too long, they are stirring the pot a bit in terms of the competition.

    Diana finds Fios is where her needs are met, someone else finds DirecTV is that place. Both are right answers.
     
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