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Longhorn Network

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by jon99, Jul 5, 2011.

  1. Nov 7, 2011 #501 of 691

    e4123 AllStar

    Jan 31, 2011
  2. Nov 8, 2011 #502 of 691

    mortimer Legend

    Nov 5, 2007
    I see the logic.

    Forget about football. For the most part, almost all Texas games are televised locally.

    I want to see almost every Longhorn basketball game. Men's and women's. A lot of baseball games. Volleyball games. I'd watch each and every one that was televised on LHN. I'd probably also watch some of the specialty programs.

    But I realize that I'm in the minority. I wouldn't expect everyone else to pay for my viewing choices.

    But it's all about the cash. Texas and ESPN could have decided to air the LHN exclusively through an internet channel (and had it carried by Hulu or similar, so STBs could stream it to TVs). But the $$$ involved would be much smaller.

    I still hope D* carries LHN sooner than later, but that's just me being selfish.
  3. Nov 8, 2011 #503 of 691

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Well, you get pretty much the same thing you are wanting through as strong conference channel like the BTN.

    If UT and the Big XII hadn't tried to screw each other and cooperated, then you would get all that plus more on just about every system in the country.
  4. mnassour

    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
    Interesting marketing tool....LHN is being run live on its website all weekend long at:


    Here's the campus-wide email that went out this week.

    I think if you read between the lines, there's more than a little frustration there.

    However, those of us (like me) who would pay extra for this need to remember that the reason it's not available is the intransigent negotiating position of Disney that this has to be a basic channel (a la NFL Network) on a basic tier and brings a cash payment per sub. For those of you who don't care/don't want it at all/wish to spit on Bevo's grave ;), just remember it's only a product...and it will live or die in the marketplace.
  5. dhines

    dhines Godfather

    Aug 16, 2006
    no one school is big enough to justify a channel . . . to directv, dish, etc. this is not being said to cut down texas, as i think my school (USC) has equal national TV pull, and i also don't see how we could pull it off.

    realistically, how could the number of alumni from any one school justify a carrier to include a dedicated channel into their respective sports package. IMO, the only opportunity would be something similar to fox soccer plus. . . . but that would fly either, why would anyone pay $15 for what they are currently getting bundled into their sports pack (through their regional network)?

    i just don't see a workable solution, but if UT can pull this off . . . i think big changes are coming to all major sports universities with a national alumni base (USC, ND, michigan, florida, etc).

    from my selfish perspective, i don't want to see it included because i don't feel like seeing my rates go up for something i have zero interest in.

    time will tell.
  6. mnassour

    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
    Oh, remember, it's bigger than that. Disney doesn't want this in any sports pack, it is insisting that every subscriber have this thing in their basic package.

    It's my feeling that while there certainly are enough UT grads/fans/wannabees nationwide to make this thing work, that certainly not all of them would subscribe. Therefore, the demand that it be part of the basic package.

    And as far as our rates going up for programming we have no interest in, that's happening already and has been happening ever since the first Superstation.

    The nutcracker will come during the ESPN negotiations for each carrier. When Disney demands that they take LHN in order to get the ESPN channels, we'll find out where it's really going.


    This is the first time I've seen the programming. And I have to tell you that it would be on in my house pretty much 24/7 if I had access. Were I an OU or a&m supporter, I would have just about lost my lunch by now! I think the end of the road was the ad for "Longhorn Energy". Yes, your electric provider CAN be UT-Austin! (not really, but it does get a cut) :lol:

    But after that Technicolor(r) yawn, I really would be asking myself....

    Why doesn't my school have this? :flaiming
  7. moghedien

    moghedien Legend

    Dec 3, 2007
    This is called tying, and it is also illegal...
  8. mnassour

    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
    Actually, it's called a "package". I don't think DirecTV bargains with Fox/Disney/whomever for one channel at a time. If I read your wiki article correctly, "tying" only applies at the consumer level, such as, when TimeWarner was forced to NOT require consumers to take video service in order to get Internet.

    The next time negotiations come around, there will be just one more channel in the ESPN "package".

    If, that is, Disney can get away with it. If the rest of the American cable/satellite landscape doesn't want LHN crammed down its throat, then we'll all have to be ready to do without the ESPN package for a few months, just as we were prepared to do with the Fox channels. And the providers will have to have the huevos to tell Disney where to stuff it.

    But for some reason, I think at least one large provider will cave. And that will be the end of it. If one provider has ESPN, then they all will have to have it.

    Hope everyone enjoys Longhorn SportsCenter. :shrug:
  9. jmpfaff

    jmpfaff AllStar

    Dec 12, 2004
    The legality of tying is determined by the market position of the seller and the way it is done.

    My local grocery store routinely gives away 4 or 5 free products if you buy their store brand of another product. Called a "Meal Deal." As it looks like you live in Texas, you probably are familiar with the grocery chain.

    That is tying -- and it isn't illegal because of the way it is done, which gives you the option of not participating.

    And that's what I think ESPN will do with LHN -- the charge for ESPN with LHN will be identical to the charge for ESPN by itself. Which is tying -- but tying done in a legal way.

    (Furthering the Mouse's legal cause here will be the fact that the cost of LHN standalone will be insignificant next to the extortionate fee they will charge for ESPN. One could argue it would be illegal tying if the discount was 50% of the standalone ESPN price -- but at likely <5%, it is rounding)
  10. mnassour

    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
    Agreed, but we have to remember that money isn't the only question here. ESPN is also demanding nationwide, basic-tier carriage, at least at this point. That could, and probably will, be the deal breaker. It's what's kept NFL Network off Time Warner all these years.
  11. Jan 4, 2012 #511 of 691

    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
    Update time.

    TVNewscheck is reporting that Disney and Comcast have signed a major deal. Here's the list of what's included:

    The entire article is at: http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2012/01/04/56462/disney-comcast-set-major-carriage-deal/page/1

    What is NOT included is the Longhorn Network. It was my fear (and local rumor) that Disney would push hard for it. If it did, it didn't get its way.

    I'm glad to have been wrong on this one!
  12. Jan 5, 2012 #512 of 691

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    Comcast is a big system to get ESPN Goal Line / ESPN Buzzer Beater. Will Directv get that as well?


    Comcast also obtained rights to air certain content from ESPN3, ESPN FullCourt and ESPN GamePlan on Comcast’s Xfinity Sports Entertainment Package.

    now will directv get as well? Right now they do show some FullCourt / ESPN GamePlan games on the FSN channels in sports pack. As for being able to show some ESPN 3 stuff on a cable channel.

    Time warner cable was the only other system to have it. There was a Wisconsin vs. Northern Illinois game (at solder field) on it and ESPN 3 last year. Now they should of push for rights to show some ESPN 3 stuff on CSN.

    But this the road to ESPN 3 being a full time channel as espn 3 is now WatchESPN.
  13. Jan 5, 2012 #513 of 691

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    a lot sports bars may like the idea of being able to have a easy to show EPSN 3 games.
  14. Jan 5, 2012 #514 of 691

    I WANT MORE CowboySooner

    Oct 3, 2006
    Northern plains
    Sounds to me like The Sooner Network programming has a better chance of getting wide distribution before the Shorthorn network will.
  15. Jan 5, 2012 #515 of 691

    adkinsjm Icon

    Mar 25, 2003
    We'll have to wait until the next re-upping of the ESPN/DirecTV contract to get more content.
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    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
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    dstout Legend

    Jul 19, 2005
  19. Jan 7, 2012 #519 of 691

    mnassour Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
    Frankly, that sounds like a good short-term solution for OU. As to where LHN is going, I don't think anyone has the foggiest at this point. And UT doesn't care as much as you might think...as it gets paid one way or another by ESPN/Disney.
  20. djzack67

    djzack67 Icon

    Sep 18, 2007
    Whose is even getting this channel now?

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