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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by stetterhawk, Apr 29, 2019.

  1. SledgeHammer

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    If you have one TV and want 4K, the HS17 option is cheaper. Otherwise, there are plenty of reasons not to get the HS17:

    1) vertical form factor (yes, this can be an issue for some people with limited room)
    2) 2 box solution (also an issue for some people)
    3) no AM21 support
    4) no 4K content (believe it not, not everybody watches sports :D).

    OP said he doesn't care about OTA, but he wasn't swayed by the current 4K offerings. So he probably preferred the 1 box solution vs. the 2 box solution.

    I just had to make this call last week and #1 & 2 is a huge inconvenience for me. 3 is kind of an issue too. #4 makes it all a moot point. I'm not going to pay $8+ for a 24 hr rental anymore then I'm going to pay $20 for an hour of porn. How much do I care about sports? -infinity. Maybe even less then that.

    And come on, when have you ever used 11 tuners? That's like people who use their hummers or lambos to go grocery shopping.
     
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  2. inkahauts

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    First, I could easily use 11 tuners some days. ;)

    But the 11 is because if they ever do bond transponders you'll need them or it won't work for 4k.

    I haven't checked in a while, but there was more than just ppv and sports in 4k on dIrectv. Last tie I checked they had quite a bit of on deamnd stuff from nature channels and such. Still needs to be something you are interested in, but it did exsit. Could be gone now, not sure.

    But the real point is, if you might do it in the next couple years, just do it now, get out of contract faster.

    I can see how once in a while the form factor can get in the way, but I suspect for most people a solution can be found that isn't intrusive.

    To me for his situation there is less than zero reason to ever even think of going to a hr54 and a 4k client, so that isn't something Id even look at and wasn't considering. That setup makes less than no sense in his situation.

    I did not see him mention one way or the other about sports so I felt it should be mentioned because a lot of people who don't care about sports will say there is no 4k, but if you like sports, while its limited, it is nice.
     
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  3. Grafixguy

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    The form factor for the HS17 is a non-issue. That server can be anywhere in the house. It does not need to be in the same room as any TV.

    I'd bring it into the same area that has a hardwired internet connection and leave it there. Just a matter of running a coax connection.
     
  4. SledgeHammer

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    Then you need another outlet and run cables and stuff. I can tell you for a fact that the HS17 wouldn't fit in my entertainment center and my furniture arrangement doesn't have a good place for it in any other room. So yeah, I could throw it in the middle of some room and crawl over it every time I use the room (being serious here)… OR... since they have no 4K content I'm interested in AND I don't want to deal with a 8 hr tech call AND the 2 yr contract that comes with it, thanks, but I'd rather get the HR54 for now and make my life simple. IF (and that's a big if since T wants to shut down the Sat business) they ever get 4K I want over the Sat, then I'll re-think things.
     
  5. slice1900

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    The manual for the HS17 specifically says it works with a SWM16. It won't be able to access anything on reverse band, but 4K channels aren't using that yet.

    I'm sure they do use the DSWM30 for non commercial, for customers who have too many tuners for a SWM LNB. There just aren't as many of them around since the SWM LNB went over 8 tuners, and obviously zero of them (except maybe Directv employees) who have an HS17 since it can't be used with other equipment.
     
  6. stetterhawk

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    I am just a casual sports watcher, They only sports I might watch a whole game of would be to watch the Vikings and usually only one or two games during the season if they were any good. I only get 1080i out of the HR20-700 so part of the up grade would to latest get a little better picture 1080P, and I think even a lot of shows do not reach that standard. I understand how people could need 11 tuners with children and many tvs and trying to record shows for everyone in the house. Just my wife and I in the house, and maybe once or twice a year is the four tuners we have now not enough. I think 5 tuners would be more then enough. I am glad for the different views that you all put out here, makes me think and consider all options. Thanks
     
  7. SledgeHammer

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    You can get 1080p out of the HR20 as long as you have a TV that supports it and a good HDMI cable. Btw, you won't really see much diff between 1080i vs. p. Some channels are even 720i and some are even worse then that. Some PPV and VOD is 1080p, but no free stuff.

    My HR54 is finally coming today...

    2 tuners on my HR24 is good enough 99% of the time, the main reason I'm upgrading is the HR2x's are just too darned slow. 30 seconds to respond to a button press. Some folks are swapping in SSDs to speed it up, but seems like a better option to get the HR54 to me.
     
  8. stetterhawk

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    ours are slow also. I have a very good HDMI cable and a TV that supports 1080P but the HR20-700 model as far as I know has never been able to support 1080P
     
  9. ColdCase

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    Are they now allowing a self install of an HR 54, or any genie, on an upgrade? Last I checked a couple months ago they needed to send a tech out and inspect/replace components, check signal levels, etc.

    Its a free upgrade but that means all your stuff needs to be accessible to the tech with their current constraints. You can buy one and install yourself, but its not free.

    Oh, I just saw the post where is seems things have changed, last week I guess..... :)
     
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  10. inkahauts

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    What channel is 720i? I’ve never heard or seen a single channel from any service using that format ever.

    Dtv boxes only output 1080p if the source is 1080p and that’s only PPV it seems.
     
  11. inkahauts

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    You watch POV that has a 1080p demotion on it? If not it won’t matter what box you use you won’t get 1080p so no worries about that.

    But dang that HR20 is a heater and slow these days. I’d update to a genie.
     
  12. SledgeHammer

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    Some locals and OTA are 720i, aren't they? Or they were at some point.
     
  13. inkahauts

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    I have never seen that ever. All the locals that haven’t been 720p or -080i have always been 480p/i that I have ever seen. This is why I ask, just never seen it or heard of it even. While ATSC 1.0 has 18 formats only five have ever really been used and four broadcast by locals that I have seen.
     
  14. Athlon646464

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    720i has never been used by a broadcaster. You can prove it to yourself by looking at the resolutions your TV supports, as well as the resolutions any DVR ever made will output. You will see the setting is not there.

    I'm not saying 720i is not possible, just saying it's never been used for broadcast TV.
     
  15. Getteau

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    I skimmed through the thread and unless I missed it, there is one difference that hasn't been mentioned yet. If you have an HS17, you can not have any of your old HR's hooked up and you have to use the mini-clients. I know you said you only have one TV, so that may not be a big deal for you. However, if you were thinking about keeping either of your HR-20's around for a few weeks to finish watching old recordings, you can't do that after they install the HS-17. If you think there is even the slightest possibility that you will want to keep an HR-20 active for any period of time after the install, you'll need to go with the HR54.
     
  16. stetterhawk

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    this is a real good point because we wanted do just that. We are watching everything that is left on the one DVR and figured we finish up the other one along side of the new DVR. Thank you for that info
     
  17. stetterhawk

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    another reason for the thoughts of upgrading was to start using the Pay for view for movies and such. We took a lightning strike many years ago and took out both DVRs ability to talk with DTV so when you had to start paying to order movies over the phone we stopped renting. Now that phone lines are not needed we thought that was another good reason to upgrade.
     
  18. stetterhawk

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    The heater reply has me LOL. They are on two shelves on a cart with wicker sides one above the other and in the cold winters up here in northern MN we use it as a heater.
     

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