Looks like AT&T is one step closer to owning the world.

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  1. pogo

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    AT&T-Time Warner merger: Appeals court backs AT&T acquisition of Time Warner - CNN

    Oddly the justice department's argument against the merger is that AT&T will do exactly what they are already doing! It's not done yet, but almost. (one appeal left) If you ever expect to see HBO on DISH again, your only hope is the Supremes.
     
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  2. Nick

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    The Supremes -- will Diana Ross be there? :cool:
     
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  3. mwdxer

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    I remember a high school teacher told me over 50 years ago that in the future only a handful of corporations will own 90% of everything. Our choices will be limited.
     
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    Same here. I had a Science teacher who told us that in the future 5 companies will own all businesses in the world.
     
  5. Willh

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    no, not that Supremes, it's the one with a woman who's not ready to retire yet and a drunk guy who loves beer and may had done some horrible perverted stuff in his college days allegedly.

    but on my personal thoughths on this update on AT&T/Warner Media merger being reenforced, i think AT&T isn't happy until they are the ones controlling the world. now all they need is to make a larger company by buying out Walmart, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft and maybe ExxonMobil, and all the biggest phramaceutical company at the same time (which is a very unlikely thing to happened, but i only names those companies off to hammer the point of AT&T's world domination plan).

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  6. James Long

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    Even with TW channels AT&T won't "own the world". Yes, I'd like HBO to return to DISH. While it certainly looks bad for a channel owned by AT&T|DIRECTV to be withheld from DISH, I can't say that an independent HBO would not make the same decision.

    $5 HBO with DIRECTV NOW when HBO is sold separately for $15? Is that favoritism? Does any other carrier get that deal? If not, that sort of unfairness should end.
     
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    I would urge people who who are upset by this to actually read the Circuit Court's opinion. I have. AT&T has legally bound itself into what is calls "baseball style arbitration" in ANY dispute with ANY provider over ANY channel. "Baseball style arbitration" means total binding arbitration, meaning AT&T must accept and the provider must pay whatever the arbitrator says. No exceptions.

    This merger is very good for consumers. Having the same company in the provider and producer is good.
     
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  9. NYDutch

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    It's very good for AT&T and its shareholders... Not so much for those that don't want AT&T as their provider.
     
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    Again, read the decision. Unlike every other vertical producer-provider (including the Great Satan, Comcast) AT&T is legally bound to "baseball style arbitration" with every provider.

    AT&T is not going to use channel access to drive people to AT&T or DirecTV. It business model is the exact opposite, to make channel content everybody wants, and which they thus can sell to every provider. At a fair price, as determined by an impartial arbitrator if needed.

    It is good to have companies be both producers and providers. It protects the consumer.
     
  11. NYDutch

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    So you're saying that DTV and their subscribers won't get a better deal on HBO and TW content than anyone else? Really?
     
  12. pogo

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    Just a small quibble -- didn't say they would own the world, I said one step closer.

    I also can't say that an independent HBO would have no incentive to not be on every platform it could.
     
  13. SamC

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    Not me. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
     
  14. James Long

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    One step closer but still a million miles away? :)

    If they feel that they can make more money being on less platforms they will go in that direction. That is the underlying thought in being a "premium" service. Instead of having a low price and regular tier placement they have chosen a higher price and a la carte placement. Pac-12 has made a similar decision to make more money on less platforms.
     
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    I don't think it's unrealistic to expect DTV will get more favorable treatment from HBO and TW than competitors. The problem will be how to prove that to an arbitrator.
     
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  16. Chihuahua

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    The absence of AT&T-owned Home Box Office from Dish Network is no sad loss to me.;)
     
  17. mwdxer

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    This might be our future with the disputes left and right with all carriers, the subscriber may be left to get their programing on their own as many of us have done with HBO and Univision. At least with streaming, the options are better. Used to be Dish/Direct/Cable would lose a channel, and unless we wanted to jump ship for another, we had to do without the channels. All services aren't available for streaming as yet, but it is on the way. I just hope high speed gets nationwide in time to cover everybody.
     
  18. James Long

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    The channels are worth more to satellite/cable companies if the content isn't easily available elsewhere. When the channels stop being partners they are not as valuable. The channels are trading tier subscribers for intentional subscribers. Which means that they need to make more profit per subscriber off of a smaller subscriber base. It is a great deal for people who don't want the channels (and don't have to pay) but not so good for the people who do want the channel and end up paying more.
     
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    I hope this is true, but if this is the case, when does HBO go to arbitration?

    And a bigger question for us Dish customers: When does the carriage agreements for the Turner channels end? In the current environment I see little to no chance of TNT, TBS, CNN and the likes remaining on Dish now that they're owned by AT&T. I hope I'm wrong and would love it if arbitration help us keep some of the AT&T owned channels into the future.

    By the way, HBO CEO and Turner president have both resigned today.
     
  20. ericknolls

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    Smells like "unfair" competition to me. Pay me what I want or out the door you go. Sound familiar? This is not AT&T's first rodeo show...
     

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