Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and back 1/15/2015)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Nashcat, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. patmurphey

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    Of course it is extortion to hold a popular channel hostage to break a contract for unpopular channels that now have the burden of sports costs. Nobody has said that it is criminal extortion. It is an ugly way to do business, but it will never be seen in court.

    Sadly Dish has more to lose. FoxNews is popular on Dish, but the Dish viewers are a relatively small part of The overall viewership. I wont leave Dish, I like the Hopper system too much, but I am considering a DirecTV non DVR hookup for our family room TV with a $25 a month promotional cost for a year. (We only watch FoxNews live.) I'll decide how to deal with my options after the year is up.

    I will always blame 20th Century Fox for the monetary and quality of life cost.
     
  2. mitchflorida

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    It's 21st Century Fox now. :)
     
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  3. Jaspear

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    I have no doubt Charlie is willing to negotiate an increase for the channels Fox made those investments in, just as soon as those channels come up for renewal. The suits at Fox figured they could do whatever they wanted and get the MPVD's to role over and make changes to the FS1, FS2, and FXX contracts early so they wouldn't lose access to FNC.

    It may eventually work, but not without some unanticipated pain at Fox 21.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    Yep, this is no different than a couple years ago when FOX tried like crazy to get all new contracts for the upcoming FOX sports channels that where coming from other rebranded channels and everyone balked because FOX didn't have the leverage to make that happen. They are taking every opportunity to revisit that and get that done anytime anything else is up for renewal.

    What they are doing may not be unethical, although its close, but it is without a doubt disingenuous...

    And don't forget, FOX is the company that also blacks out some games on its rsns for dish customers because dish won't pay more now that those rsns have added a bunch more games for those channels. There's a couple markets that is happening in. Wouldn't be one bit surprised that is part of this as well.

    That is outright ridiculous imho. Just because you add more games should not mean you should get more money before the contract is up. But it also means dish must have foolishly signed a contract that said they could do just that!
     
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  5. fitnessCJ

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    Is this the definition when I wanted to watch A Tigers game this fall and it was blocked on my Dish channel ? I live 2.5 hours north of Detroit! Please let me know if I can add fuel to the Leave DISH Fire....question in the end is would that have happened to me if I was a Direct customer? It was a regular season game near the end of the year.
     
  6. inkahauts

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    Likely not as they do their agreements a bit different. I've never heard of them having that same issue.
     
  7. epokopac

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    Lawrencevill...
    "And don't forget, FOX is the company that also blacks out some games on its rsns for dish customers because dish won't pay more now that those rsns have added a bunch more games for those channels. There's a couple markets that is happening in. Wouldn't be one bit surprised that is part of this as well."

    Atlanta DMA (Braves) is one of those markets. MLB Strike Zone and/or MLB Tonight keep me up to date on any Braves games that Fox blacks out. Two years so far; not sure how many more years remain before this "Fox stunt" comes to an end (usually darkens about a third of the scheduled games.) Fox's greed knows NO bounds!
     
  8. Stewart Vernon

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    The "extortion" in this case is not illegal... it might even be arguable as to whether or not it is unethical... but it isn't good business if you ask me. Think about what FOX is establishing here.

    Dish negotiates a contract for channel A... then later for channel B... and still later channel C. Three different contracts all of which agreed to by both Dish and FOX.

    Now... FOX decides to change the content on channel C and goes back to Dish and asks for more money. Dish says, not now, you decided to make the change we can revisit when the channel C contract is up.

    FOX waits... then when channel A is up for renewal, FOX says "if you want channel A you have to pay for channel A... AND you have to pay us more for channel C too." Dish says "what the heck?"

    It's bad enough that companies want an increase every time their channels are up for renewal... but IF a precedent is established where not only do you ask for an increase on that channel BUT also on channels under different contracts... that would be nasty for Dish, DirecTV, and every other company!

    Do you think it would stop here? No, next time the next contract is up, FOX would do it again... holding another channel under the fire to get more for a different channel not otherwise part of that contract.

    This is not a good thing to establish as a way of doing business for any company... and if this is what is happening now, and FOX doesn't seem to be denying it... then shame on FOX and I hope Dish sticks to their guns and just negotiates for the channels that are not already under contract.
     
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  9. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
     
  10. chum76

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    Several months back my Grandmothers cable company took off GSN and replaced it with FXX plus there was a monthly $2.50 sports surcharge added to her bill at the same time. I bet they signed the same deal with Fox.
     
  11. TechnoCat

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    I don't know how Fox structures things, but I do know how a few other media companies do it, and how affiliates (carriers - Dish, Comcast, etc.) pay for it for some. Each contract is not only confidential, but treated extremely confidential. Even if you work for the companies, the details are firewalled off. And the terms aren't generally the same either... different bundlings, different quantity subscriber discounts. Partially because the affiliates vary in size so much. Also marketing dollars (essentially kick backs) can gloss over a lot. And the big elephant that gets overlooked is this... suppose Fox IS charging DirectTV, say, 0.50/channel/sub. And Dish flat out refuses. And suppose Dish offers Fox a guarantee of 8 million subs at 0.40 per by bundling as needed. Fox would be throwing away $3.2 million/month in a quest to get roughly $700,000 more a month through their higher fees.

    So what probably will happen is Fox will have a lower rate, but with some offsetting condition, for Dish, OR Dish will give them the book rate they want while Dish retains fuller control - ability to stream it on Dish Anywhere, skip commercials and confine it to the higher packages. And this will work for everyone because it's a completely different set of terms than Direct, Comcast or AT&T/Univerz have, so it will prevent future comparisons.
     
  12. fitnessCJ

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    I AGREEE ! ! ! Without FOX I did tune into CNN yesterday and I looked at my wife and said WTHec....they are running the missing plane news 24/7 ? ? ? You could not get a peep for any mention of any other news. IMHO - these other news channels are just looking to grasp at a ratings and they know people will gravitate towards another missing plane. How long can you speculate on NO NEWS on the plane all day long? personally I do not want to watch that. And when there was the Gruber videos leaked....no coverage of that. Fox catches it all and I believe it is the best coverage about the important news we can get. And I will tell you one last reason I think FOX is best.....it has to do with delivering the news with personality. I miss the FIVE because I think Kimberly Guilfoyl is the BOMB. Then Dana is so calm and delivers great points. She and Bob have both had experience working inside the White House with Administrations and they go at it at times. Then comes the humor of the show - Greg Gutfeld...this guy is hilarious in his delivery of his opinion.. I love watching the show for the personalities of who is on it versus just the news. Then I have Special report at 6 pm and I get the NEWS as I believe it is delivered. Just saying in the end I think FOX is winning due to the personalities they have running each and every hour of the day. The Kelly File is awesome and look what Greta did for that Marine kept in Mexico. Andrea Tantaros ! ! ! I WANT MY FOX NEWS BACK!
     
  13. mitchflorida

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    It will be resolved by the middle of February. Just a hunch. What do others think?
     
  14. fudpucker

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    On the topic of DTV vs. Dish costs: I switched to DTV from Dish this fall, purely because I wanted Sunday Ticket and could no longer get it via PS3, etc. And I asked a bazillion questions, probably irritated a lot of people here and on the DTV forums, as I am pretty anal about researching stuff (just ask my wife! ;) ) For the programming we watch, and a Genie plus 2 Minis, after the promotional stuff runs out, the cost was pretty much the same. Maybe $3 more on DTV. Of course, for 2 years it is significantly cheaper with the 2 year promo.

    I prefer some things about the Dish guide, especially the 3 hour width, but agree there are very cool options on the Genie guide. They are different, each has its plusses and minuses.

    I had DTV from 1995 to 2009, Dish from 2009 to August of this year. In the short time I had Dish it sure felt like there was non stop blackout threats, from AMC to my Fox and CBS channels, etc. I don't even know the name of the Directv CEO but I sure know Charlie's name - he just seems to be more ego driven.

    And lastly yeah, my bills were lower back in the 90s and early 2000, and yeah I got less channels, but my 200 and 250 packages only have about 50 channels I watch. My "Favorites" guide only shows about 1/3 of the actual channels in the package. So for me, the whole 250 or 300 or whatever channels is pretty irrelevant.
     
  15. pinkertonfloyd

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    As someone who switched from Directv to Dish in the last year, I can tell you it's more than $2 savings... I was being forced to pay a $3/month "sports recovery fee" alone. Packages semm close, but the surcharges at Directv add up quite quick.

    Even taking out the $30/mo discount for the first year, I'm saving $20/mo over Directv, and getting more features (Hopper, Dish Anywhere), than Directv had. This is Two rooms, one Hopper, one SuperJoey, I had a Directv 2 Tuner DVR and a HD Bedroom before, went from Choice+, to AT200... which are very comparable packages.

    Directv lost me when they started charging me $10/mo for HD, when I had "HD for Life", then told me I was correct, but since I didn't catch it for 60 days, that they couldn't "fix" it, and I lost HD for life because of this ("You should have called us sooner, as we could have fixed it last month"), as they couldn't add that feature anymore (and this is what the Customer Retention Supervisor told me). Funny thing was the rep when I called to cancel and said I was going to dish, she told me how much dish was for receiver fees, etc... all where about 150% higher than the real fees were at Dish...

    Basically though, the whole industry plays FUD against each other... which is why all carriers are in the bottom basement for customer satisfaction.
     
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  16. fudpucker

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    Frankly, I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to satellite providers. I had Directv from 1995 to 2009 and was pretty happy with them. I only switched to Dish, reluctantly, when I moved and DTV didn't carry the local networks in HD (since resolved) and I did not want to watch network TV in SD. Once I got used to the differences, I was pretty happy with Dish, other than Charlie's apparent lack of finesse in doing deals, and only switched this year because I wanted NFL Sunday Ticket and Directv was the only way to get it.

    I'm pretty happy with the Genie plus two mini system, again, each provider has "their way" and each has some advantages and disadvantages. I was actually able to drop down a level in programming (I'm in the 200+ channel category) because the 200+ programming on Directv carried all the channels we watch (plus some cool ones not on Dish) whereas the channels I wanted were only available in the 250 channel package on Dish. Like most people, of those I only really watch about 50 or so, so the key is getting those 50 or so. My cost for the first two years, the promotional cost of course, is about $40 a month cheaper than my Dish bill, and in two years, when the promo is over, the cost is pretty close to the same. I'm looking at final, what do I pay each month including everything costs.

    I'm pretty realistic/cynical when it comes to these guys (Directv and Dish.) They are big corporations making a lot of money, with the #1 goal of making the stock holders happy and the CEOs richer. They will both charge us as much as they can get away with, and if either gets too far out of line vs. the other they know they'll lose subscribers, so they aren't going to get too far apart. When one of them gets a whole house DVR system the other has to have one ASAP, etc. Been watching the war between the two for many, MANY years. ;) They don't fight with channel providers because of us, the subscriber - they do it for the CEO and execs and stock holders. I have found I can be pretty happy with either of them, and I only move when programming dictates it (HD locals, NFL Sunday ticket, etc,) I think the fights and arguments people have over Dish vs. Directv are misplaced; both will raise our prices as quickly as we allow them to, both will chase each other, neither is going to do anything radical for "us."

    FWIW
     
  17. tampa8

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    Why not do some of your own research instead of making things up? Most (by far) DISH customers have VIP receivers, and with up to three rooms pay from $13 to $20 less with DISH over Direct TV. That range is dependant on how many rooms and if you pay a surcharge for Sports with Direct something Direct just expanded to more markets.
     
  18. Stewart Vernon

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    Following up an earlier post/question of my own...

    I forgot I still had the "We Dish You a Merry Christmas" on my 922 DVR... and I checked, and sure enough, a couple of segments before Alan Thick there are the FOX & Friends people singing along... so I was right, they were airing a version with them before the FOX news channels went dark in the dispute... now they only air a changed version that doesn't contain the FOX folks.
     
  19. mwdxer

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    I don't know how a provider can charge a subscriber a surcharge fee for a sports channel. What if you don't want the sports channel? You have to go down to a smaller package just to avoid the surcharge? That is crazy. I wish all of the sports channels were in a separate package. Many of us do not care about sports and yet we pay through the nose as they charge more than any other channel. No wonder many people are becoming cord cutters.
     
  20. tigerwillow1

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    I have the same bogus surcharge beef with Sirius. If you do an ala carte subscription with no music stations, guess what? You still have to pay the music royalty fee.
     

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