Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and back 1/15/2015)

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  1. Jan 3, 2015 #301 of 519
    Jaspear

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    There's also FXX. On the Channel 204 video loop, Charlie talks about one channel that Fox added to the negotiations at the last minute, rather than channels. He says that the contract "doesn't expire for some time", and that it didn't have a "viewership" that justified the increase that Fox suddenly wanted. The FXX year end ratings, according to Deadline.com (the Simpsons marathon notwithstanding) are nothing to crow about. Maybe Fox 21 thought that what didn't work for Fox Sports might be golden with FXX, since it has ratings that actually show up in the 2014 top 40 lists.

    As an aside, why the heck can't Dish get the formatting right on that channel 204 loop?
     
  2. Jan 3, 2015 #302 of 519
    TechnoCat

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    Real Fox News fans probably root for Dish over Fox in this scuffle. It's a different group than, say, MSNBC fans. More likely to understand business, less likely to be slaves to passion and the moment.

    Fox News ratings have already dropped by 13% during this outage, which analysts have attributed to Dish. That may seem tiny, but realize that (1) you'd miss a 13% cut in your income and (2) they have guarantees to their advertisers. They will have to comp more ads, which will eat into their revenue directly in addition to the lost Dish revenues. So I'd guess Fox will blink first.
     
  3. Jan 3, 2015 #303 of 519
    Stewart Vernon

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    You're right... it could be FXX too. I forget about that channel sometimes.

    I figure it is either that OR Fox Sports 2 that is the problem... not sure which it could be as both should fit the low-ratings notion.
     
  4. Jan 3, 2015 #304 of 519
    James Long

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    Considering it is Fox's opinion of whatever other channel Mr Ergen is mentioning, it could be Fox Sports 1. Fox wants that channel to be the next ESPN. It is improving (not just a motorsports "Speedvision" channel) but it certainly did not become what ESPN has become over decades in only one year.

    In any case, Fox needs to let their news channel return to DISH and deal with FS1, FS2, FXX or whatever channel it is when that channel A ) earns an increase and B ) is up for renewal.
     
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  5. Jan 3, 2015 #305 of 519
    altidude

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    When Fox News first went dark my first reaction was "that's it, I'm going back to DirecTV". Then I realized that I love my Dish DVR (Vip722k) more than I love Fox News so I'll stay with Dish. I've tried watching the Blaze (I'm just not into Glen Beck) and CNN (enough about the plane already!). NewsMax was just OK.

    Of the news channels I've watched, Al Jazeera America has been the most interesting. Very good, in depth, international stories but I haven't seen any hard news there either. I'm sure it's there, I'm just not tuning in at the right time.
     
  6. Jan 3, 2015 #306 of 519
    James Long

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    Channels 279 China Central News and 280 Russia Today are also available (hidden near NASA TV).
    9415 Free Speech TV is in the "Public Interest" range of channels (and has been there for more than a decade).

    I saw a good special on Queen Elizabeth II on NewsMax last weekend. It was interesting to see the early years before she became queen and it helps to understand why she will only leave the throne upon her death ... and not willingly before. (Sorry Prince Charles ... she's a tough old gal who made a commitment.)
     
  7. Jan 4, 2015 #307 of 519
    Rduce

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    FXX is geared to comedy, yet the top two comedy shows they have still play on FX, Archer and Louie. That makes me think that FOX is not that confident on the viewership on FXX and they want to be able to bilk the most out of ad rates.
     
  8. Jan 4, 2015 #308 of 519
    BobCulp

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    I don't think that Fox News Channel has the power to pull FNC & FBN from dish. Fox News is just a company under Fox Entertainment group, which is under 21 century Fox. Fox Entertainment group and 21 century Fox should be the ones to play ball with Dish. I found a list on networks under Fox Entertainment Group that is interesting and there are others worldwide and Latin America.


    Cable network programming
     
  9. Jan 4, 2015 #309 of 519
    James Long

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    Correct ... Fox is doing the negotiating for the carriage of their channels. They have not signed an agreement to have Fox News and Fox Business carriage continue on DISH Network. Until Fox signs an agreement the channels not under agreement cannot be carried. (Other Fox channels are carried under separate agreements that have not yet expired.)
     
  10. Jan 5, 2015 #310 of 519
    Cable Lover

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    I could be wrong (been wrong about a million times before), but I would imagine that 21cFOX would be more anxious to get a deal done now that the primetime lineup is back for the new year. Generally during Christmas and New Year's weeks, we get guest hosts and best of shows.
     
  11. Jan 5, 2015 #311 of 519
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    I wasn't too bothered by this, but it's gotten worse, so I'm dropping in here, and called Dish to complain. First it was Fox Business, and Fox News last month, which was our favorite channel. Often just leave it playing in the background around the house for news while doing other stuff. Then last week, it was Alaska local channels 5 and 6, which are small mini-networks that carry some smaller shows. Not as important. But then this weekend we lost the Fox Network, which has many shows we watch.

    I understand the contract thing and have seen this before, so at first I just took it in stride, didn't say anything. But this is going downhill. I'm not going to drop Dish, nor Fox. But they need to work this out. Customer Service rep gave me $5 off the bill for the next 6 months, which isn't much, but I wasn't looking for anything either.

    For now, everything else seems to be playing, including FXX, Fox Sports 1/2, etc.
     
  12. Jan 5, 2015 #312 of 519
    NYDutch

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    I wonder how many of the Fox fan jumpers to DTV are in the dozen or so markets that lost their local NBC, CBS, ABC, and/or CW affiliate stations owned by Cordillera a few days ago...
     
  13. Jan 6, 2015 #313 of 519
    mwdxer

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    FOX is not the only one Dish viewers have lost either. In the Seattle market KVOS Bellingham (METV) is not on Dish now. I guess there must be some dispute. It was lost the beginning of the year. So there are other channels in different markets that viewers have lost.
     
  14. Jan 6, 2015 #314 of 519
    TechnoCat

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    I thought KVOS had been gone for a while. Doesn't really matter; they were a ME-TV (think old WGN or Nick-at-Night programming) outlet, with no local content. No news, etc. Direc only added them two years ago. There's nothing of value there. I mean, they run CHiPs in prime time! C'mon! Nobody's going to switch providers over that!
     
  15. Jan 6, 2015 #315 of 519
    pinkertonfloyd

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    Business news yesterday blamed a drop on FOX stock on Nielsen ratings showing a 13-15% drop in Foxnews viewership in the last two weeks of the year compared to last year. Tough to call with the holidays (news cycle is weird during this time). But it fits with Dish being about 14-15% of Fox's subscribers.

    The put it this way, Fox lost about as many viewers as MSNBC had total.

    Hoping this pushes both sides to come to an agreement soon.
     
  16. Jan 6, 2015 #316 of 519
    Jaspear

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    KVOS was dropped because their retransmission consent agreement ran out. They have to renew it every few years and apparently, forgot. They plan to renew it, so they will be back on soon.
     
  17. Jan 6, 2015 #317 of 519
    tigerwillow1

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    Think again. The ONLY reason I'm not leaving for Direct is that the Dish DVR can receive a METV OTA subchannel that Direct can't.
     
  18. Jan 6, 2015 #318 of 519
    TechnoCat

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    Direc should be able to receive KVOS. They issued a press release about it two years ago. And if that's the only reason you're with Dish, switch. I'm with Dish because... the programming selections meet my needs better, I prefer the controls/DVR (although they've changed since I last compared), the video quality is better (again, those too probably have changed since I last compared), and the price was better. Price doesn't really matter to me... we're talking the difference of two martinis out per month... but all these together pushed me to Dish a long time ago.

    But if all you care about is shows that even Amazon and Netflix don't consider worth streaming, jump on it. Dish can't satisfy you. I don't think any company can, but if you're willing to hop every second year or whatever your contracts will allow, enjoy it. The world needs curmudgeons too! :smoking:

    Before you go, though, a question... is there anything about Dish that you particularly like and wouldn't want to give up?
     
  19. Jan 6, 2015 #319 of 519
    mwdxer

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    I love the old TV shows and I envy the viewers that live in large metro areas that can get all of those OTA sub channels that run the old shows. Thank goodness I still have my big dish as I can get most of them FTA. No DVR, but at least they are available. We will get METV and Get TV sometime next Summer OTA, when the ABC station (KATU) switches our translator finally to digital. With the 211k with the OTA tuner, I can then record them. I now have to record them via my big dish to a DVD to watch them back on that timer. To me, many of the old shows are better than the newer ones. That is one reason, I wish Dish could add at least the sub channel TV services that carry the old shows. Having Cozi part time and a few others like RFD TV are nice. One I really want is Antenna TV, but since the TV station in Portland (32) is not building a translator out here, we are out of luck. Losing channels like CNN or FOX, no big deal to me, as for news there are so many choices. I did miss TCM though. But having Antenna TV on Dish would be wonderful. I would give up a lot to have that one channel. Even local Charter Cable does not carry it.
     
  20. Jan 6, 2015 #320 of 519
    tigerwillow1

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    I'm guessing this question was for me. First off, I am not in the KVOS service area. I was commenting about "nobody" switching providers to get METV. I'm in a rural area and get METV off of a translator, which Direct cannot do. Since we watch METV and other OTA more than satellite channels, it's THE driving factor. As to anything else about Dish I wouldn't want to give up (vs. another cable provider), only one other thing: Cozi TV. If it wasn't for these 2 "killer" capabilities I'd be going to Direct under the new customer discount. I was formerly using Direct for over 10 years. I had an older DVR that was "dog slow" and the 722 when it was new was snappy in comparison. As the disc filled up, the 722 also got "dog slow", often taking 5 seconds or more to respond to remote presses. I find the 722 to be very buggy. When there's a signal loss, particularly on OTA, it often crashes (remember, rural area and low power translator). We don't even have to be watching or recording OTA, if the OTA station it happens to be tuned to loses signal lock, the DVR is often gone until a power reset. (This is my 2nd 722, the first one did exactly the same thing). I can say that in the 10+ years, the Direct DVR HR22 never crashed on me.
     

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