Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and back 1/15/2015)

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  1. BqWUDUDj

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    I guess I'll open a ticket with roku then. I made a PlayMark channel from the National Zoo panda bear feed and then, to be fair and balanced, also channels from Elephant and Donkey webcams :). Those show up fine. Yet Fox News Live still gives me trouble.

    I'm not into consumer electronics and don't have various tablets and such to test with.
     
  2. patmurphey

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    Yes, The current situation has bolstered my view. None of the other channels have the depth and quality of programming, in addition to just the news. The accusations of bias are unfounded and expressed by those who obviously don't watch very much. The only really right wing host, Hannity, bends over backwards to let the other side express their views.
     
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  3. BqWUDUDj

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    What bugs me the most is the instability of the lineup. I could understand Dish dropping Fox. I wouldn't like it, it's probably a bad business decision, but at least it'd be over and done with. Then at least I could plan things and switch providers, taking one or two year contracts to get good rates.

    But these silly games with blacking out CNN / HLN / TCM first and then bringing it back; then Fox going away and leaving us in limbo. It's ridiculous. Plus the nonsense they did with blockbuster last year -- including disks by mail as part of a package and then discontinuing that... Stop futzing around already. I'd like to have something I could rely on. Who knows what other channels dish will black out next.

    A pox on both their houses, I say.
     
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  4. eudoxia

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    "Bias unfounded" wow...I was forced to watch Fox news for years because family had it on 24/7 and it's a different universe they create for all who watch. Where the world is a scary place and can be summed up in simple bumper stickers "Death panels", "Benghazi", "Fast & Furious", "IRS".

    That being said we need are Fox news back, this is way too long without it...I'm starting to miss the show (I like Shep though)...
     
  5. Paul Secic

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    No!
     
  6. camo

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    When I had Dish it was always an ongoing issue. Some of the carriage drops I could live with. Example if Viacom dropped off the face of the earth I would ecstatic. But thats just me, I dislike 90% of their programming and realize its a big chunk of the programming cost but I will never watch. Others hate sports like ESPN, so I just can't wait for a la carte to become the normal. Then disputes will end, customers will order what they want and be happy. Crappy (trash channels few watch will go under).
     
  7. pinkertonfloyd

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    It's just the timing of the contracts, the older channels were all probably signed up originally when Dish was launched, so many of the contracts will have similar ending dates. Some get moved due to contracts being extended during negotiations (something that Dish claims they offered Fox, to keep on the current contract while they still work out a deal, but Fox declined).

    Basically in the world of programming, it's similar to how unions deal contracts, ieL the UAW picks one of the automakers to negotiate a deal, then the other companies are to fall in line. I believe Dish is the first major contract up since FS1/2 was launched, and they're trying to use Dish as the "bar" for the other providers to follow. (I think someone said Directv has a re-up with Fox later this year also). (That's why Directv doesn'te advertise "hey dish, get your fox here", because secretly they're rooting for Dish to win, as it'll help them out also. Fox Sports 1/2 is technically under the Speed/FuelTV contracts, and Fox is tring to replace those standing contracts as part of the renewal for Fox News (a far more popular channel).

    It's funny... the content providers see Disney's ESPN monopoly, and want to be "me too", so they create these sports channels... and I'll tell you, someone needs to tell them 1) They're NOT at the same level as ESPN, and 2) Oversaturation is going to kill them.

    Lets face it in the last few years, Comcast, NBCSN, CBSSN, Fox Sports 1/2 have all come in, and none have anything near the level of programming as ESPN, but I bet they don't act that why during talks.

    Personally, I think there's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much Sports programming, and really, I'd rather be able to throw these channels into a Package, which is what the sat/cable guys want, but the programmers don't as it give them leverage for other shows, so they put language that these channels are required to be part of x-level package. ugh!
     
  8. BqWUDUDj

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    Heard back from PlayOn tech support. :-(

     
  9. 356B

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    I was sure wrong on this deal...I would have bet a days pay this would be settled quickly...how long did the CNN shut down go on?
     
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  10. ljr01

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    I have Dish in an RV. I just found out that in addition to losing my (owned) Hopper and almost $400 to covert my rooftop antenna (Winegard SK-1000) to Direct, I will lose all HD programming.

    Any other alternatives for an, almost, full time RVer? My only internet connection is via cellular MIFI when it works.


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  11. camo

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    So this is probably Fox playing their little game and preventing Dish customers from viewing the open stream.
     
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  12. Slamminc11

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    WOW! seriously!?!?!
     
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  13. BobCulp

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    I was sure wrong on this deal...I would have bet a days pay this would be settled quickly...how long did the CNN shut down go on?



    CNN was off for a month. If I remember, AMC was out for three months a few years ago. There should be a time limit for any channel to come back on.

    I was at a restaurant on a weekend and they did not have the football game on, because of the Direct TV- NBC local dispute, which lasted about 2 weeks. It is not just us, but any bar restaurant erc can hurt from the blackouts. They lost many customers because of it.
     
  14. camo

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    356B posted that. I didn't ....
     
  15. mwdxer

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    When we lost Fisher (KATU-2-Portland/KOMO-4-Seattle), those were gone for 6 months! Many friends were watching their ABC online. Fortunately I have ABC OTA, but in SD only, but at least it was there. Friends in the Seattle area are complaining that Dish and KVOS Bellingham WA has not closed their deal. KVOS runs METV and there are a lot of people that like the old shows. They are too far to get the station OTA apparently or do not have the antenna. What I heard was, KVOS forgot about renewing until Dish dropped in 1/1/15. Now they are trying to get a deal going to be back on. I wonder how many markets lose a certain OTA station that we do not hear about? Of course, FOX or CNN, etc, we all lose so we know about them. But I bet these smaller disputes go on all of the time.
     
  16. Stewart Vernon

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    If this were just about FOX News/Business, my impression is that there never would have been a blackout in the first place. Charlie has said that he agreed to an increase in those channels... but FOX asked for more money for some other already-under-contract channel (we speculate as to whether that was FS1, FS2, FXX, or what)...

    The longer this goes, the more sure you can be it is about more than just FOX News/Business... because if it were just about those FOX would already have come to an agreement based on the info that has been floated so far.
     
  17. camo

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    So potentially this could be the precursor for a major departing of Fox channels from Dish if its more than just a dispute over Fox News/Business.
     
  18. TechnoCat

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    That's a stretch. Even if you accept Fox's fabricated 90K subscriber losses number (which no rational person would, although some media parrot-heads do), the ratings and numbers are clear. Dish has lost that 90K (0.6%) or less while Fox News has lost 14-21%. Nominally we'd expect 13% because that's Dish's fraction of the market, but the ratings drops have shown mostly 18%-20%.

    Next, do the financials. Dish loses in subscriber fees. Reduced revenue. But Fox loses not just in those fees (remember, Dish and other pay a carriage fee, that's what this game of chicken is all about) but also in advertising dollars. Advertising is guaranteed eyeballs, so Fox now has to make good on the past two weeks, which will be done by placing comp ads. (In other words, Proctor & Gamble will get some free ads to make up for the underperforming ads, but those will come at the "expense" of paid ads that could have been for General Motors product... you can't just add more ad time.) Which imposes not just income loss, but management overhead. Negotiations. Hard questions internally.

    I'm surprised it lasted this long, but I suspect Rupert and Charlie aren't exactly attending poetry readings together regardless.
     
  19. patmurphey

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    All Fox News fans don't worry - Fox News will return January 20th. I have an installation scheduled to add a DirecTV HD receiver to my main TV on January19th so that we can have live broadcasts of Fox News for $25.99 a month. I have no doubt that once I have incurred a 24 month contract, Fox News will be back on Dish. :grin:

    I am making the sacrifice for the greater good...
     
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  20. inkahauts

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    I doubt it. I just think Charlie would rather save the money till those contracts come up to then sign a new contract. I question if he couldn't get one done without the other channels anyway to be honest. I believe FOX is a pain but I have to question if Charlie is also stonewalling now once all this really started based on his mo of late.
     

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