Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and back 1/15/2015)

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  1. Jaspear

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    Then come up with a new category of channel - Widescreen SD and place it next to the "standard" SD channel. I'll bet they could flag it so it only appears on HD compatible STB's.

    I understand the real solution is more bandwidth, but this would work to improve the resolution on this class of channel; one that commands a premium price, but offered in a sub-premium format.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    But what you are suggesting would do just the opposite... you are suggesting a widescreen SD channel and the regular SD channel... which would essentially double the bandwidth requirement for that channel.

    It isn't about "flagging" it for only HD receivers... the old SD-only receivers wouldn't be able to see/decode such a channel at all. That's the problem.

    So your solution to bandwidth would be to use even more bandwidth? That's not going to happen.
     
  3. Tiki God

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    After a couple of weeks with DirecTv I'd say the actual service itself is on par with what I had with Dish. The picture is as good if not better (I'm not sure my eyes could tell the difference). The Genie, for me, is not as versatile as the Hopper system. The hopper system to me is a bit flashier as well where the Genie seems a bit more basic. I like the fact that I have TVland in HD, but miss Boomerang, Esquire and The Blaze (not offered on Dtv) in the package I have (although I only watched them occasionally). Hopefully the billing snafus are worked out and I don't have to call each month for the $10 credit.

    I would assume Dish was hurt by the whole Fox deal as I got an offer to come back that offered a $700 cash card and a $35 monthly rebate for the first year. That's over $1100 dollars, although I realize part of that would be to cover the contract cancellation at Dtv. Also, there is no contract to sign. I plan to honor my contract with DTV (unless of course they screw up in some way) but the offer was enough to make me think about it for a bit.
     
  4. Jaspear

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    The SD only receivers would see the regular SD channel. That's the point. Everyone would get the service optimized for the STB they have.


    It would use more bandwidth, but I suspect considerably less than one HD channel.
     
  5. Stewart Vernon

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    Everyone sees the SD channel right now.

    The "problem" you are trying to fix isn't really a fix at all.

    The real fix is to carry the HD feed... but bandwidth is a problem. There's really not a whole lot to be gained (from Dish's perspective) by doing as you ask. The better solution is the HD feed when they get the bandwidth to do that, and some of that might come from the changes this year with obsoleting some more older receivers.
     
  6. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

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    I recall an "aspect ratio" setting on the 501 receivers ... The firmware would need to be updated to letterbox or zoom 16x9 feeds, but I'd rather have 16x9 SD than letterboxed SD. Let the receiver do the letterboxing and use the full frame of the satellite feed for the picture instead of transmitting black bars.
     
  7. Michael P

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    All you have to do is adjust the "zoom". When The Blaze is zoomed in all the way it fits my 32" HDTV perfectly, noting lost on the top/bottom or sides. However since I got to see the real HD feed, the zoomed-in SD feed pales in comparison. Newsmax OTOH has a strange letterbox, sometimes I have to zoom out a bit to not lose something on the top/bottom.
     
  8. scooper

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    I have at least 4 CRT TVs that I can hookup, currently only 2 hooked up. That is in addition to ONE 32 inch 720p class LED 16x9 HDTV.
     
  9. Jaspear

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    I know about the zoom. I leave my Hopper set that way. Widescreen SD would eliminate the the zoom and improve resolution.

    I agree with others above though. The ultimate solution is HD. I was just suggesting widescreen SD as a stop gap until HD bandwidth is available (As well as the willingness to allocate some of that bandwidth to The Blaze, of course.).
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    There was a time when I wanted widescreen SD too... back when FOX was doing that via OTA before they finally went to HD broadcasting... but what mostly happened is that we got HD feeds finally for most channels, thereby eliminating most of the need for widescreen SD.

    The handful of channels left in SD that aren't ever going to go HD will probably go away at some point if their viewership gets low enough... everyone else is just "in the queue" for whenever we get more bandwidth for HD.
     
  11. altidude

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    I got TWO pay-per-view vouchers for staying. Score!!!
     
  12. mwdxer

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    I got two also, but I very rarely ever watch PPV.
     
  13. tigerwillow1

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    One thing the outage showed us is that we can live without Fox News. I've since switched over to the Welcome Pack (no Fox News) to save $40 per month. We know that Fox said Dish was greedy and Dish said Fox was greedy. Whatever the truth, Fox News has one less subscriber as a result. I was outraged at the Fox claim of censorship by Dish. Am I now guilty of censorship myself because others in my house can't watch Fox News?
     
  14. mwdxer

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    Unfortunately FOX and CNN are in the small packs, but MSNBC isn't. I think a subscriber has to get at least AT120 to get MSNBC. I am not a fan of Fox News either. I get it, but never watch it, like probably 80% of the channels. We all have our fav's out there.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    That's the downside of channels going dark... it's kind of like when the NHL had that year-long strike and the casual fans took a long time to come back when the NHL did. Die-hard fans missed the NHL and couldn't wait... but the rest of us learned hockey wasn't that important to us and were able to ignore it. Die-hard fans of FOX were waiting, but they lost a lot of potential fans who got used to watching other news in the meantime.

    That's why they don't like their channels going dark for long even if they push Dish into the corner that makes it happen. This applies to all the channels and negotiations, not just FOX.
     
  16. Jhon69

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    You are not alone,I was an continuous Fox News viewer,I even kept my PiP channel on Fox News all the times,but after Fox News had their two top anchors( O'Reilly/Kelly) accuse Dish of censorship?,during a contract dispute? That was it for me. :nono2: .
     
  17. Jaspear

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    I can't speak for anyone else, but after only three weeks, I had no trouble resuming my nightly Megyn Kelly habit. Given the other options, I doubt if they've lost very many viewers.

    As for the "censorship" charge, it was made in the middle of a rancorous contract fight. It didn't bother me. Looks like it didn't bother Chuck and Joe either. ;)
     
  18. Laxguy

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    Kinda on the level of The Weather Channel braying that there'd be deaths without it on DIRECTV®, and to write your Congressfolk.
     
  19. Tiki God

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    LOL, funny after all of those great offers to get me to stay with Dish, I get a letter in the mail from them telling me my package price is going up $5 a month.
     
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