Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and back 1/15/2015)

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  1. Dec 21, 2014 #41 of 519
    James Long

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    204 is a video from the CEO Joe Clayton
    205 The Blaze replaces Fox News
    206 CNBC replaces Fox Business


    50 changes seen 12/21/14 at 12:11am ET (v11)

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    206 FOXB FOX Business News renamed NEWS FOX Business News (110° TP 8 SD Instant Order)
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    4546 FOXB FOX Business News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (129° 9s1 (Alaska) HD Hidden)
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    4546 FOXB FOX Business News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (72.7° TP 26 HD Hidden)
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    4547 FXNWS Fox News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (61.5° TP 15 SD MPEG4 Hidden)
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    4548 FXNWS Fox News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (129° 12s1 (Alaska) HD Hidden)
    4548 FXNWS Fox News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (129° 6s55 (Hawaii) HD Hidden)
    4548 FXNWS Fox News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (129° TP 28 HD Hidden)
    4548 FXNWS Fox News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (72.7° TP 19 HD Hidden)
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    4206 FOXB FOX Business News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (206 HD) (72.7° TP 26 HD Hidden)
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    4341 FOXB FOX Business News renamed NEWS (206 HD) (129° 9s1 (Alaska) HD Hidden)
    5527 FOXB FOX Business News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (206 HD) (129° 16s55 (Hawaii) HD Hidden)
    5527 FOXB FOX Business News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (206 HD) (129° 9s1 (Alaska) HD Hidden)
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    9476 FOXB FOX Business News renamed DISH DISH Info Channel (206 HD) (72.7° TP 26 HD Instant Order)

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  2. Dec 21, 2014 #42 of 519
    Stewart Vernon

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    If what Dish says in their press release is true... it isn't a surprise, but it is sounding like the recent Turner dispute where Turner was trying to get more money for TNT and TBS by holding the other channels hostage. If FOX is holding their News channels hostage to get more for their Sports and movie channels... I hate that.

    On the plus side, I can't imagine this dispute lasting too long. Turner blinked with CNN off the air and seeing their viewers going elsewhere. FOX is usually at the top of the ratings for their News channel... losing all the Dish customer eyes might be painful to them as much as it is painful for Dish to field customer complaints while the channels are dark.

    Another plus... I would assume that eventually this will mean more On Demand from FOX on Dish, maybe their FOX Movie channel in HD finally... and perhaps moving FOX Sports 2 to a closer channel number to FOX Sports 1.

    I will be surprised if this lasts as long as the Turner channels were down without at least getting to an extension plan like Turner did to push the negotiations into next year.
     
  3. Dec 21, 2014 #43 of 519
    tampa8

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    I have to admit to being surprised it is off at all. Fox News is one of a few channels you just must have as a carrier. I can't imagine it will be off long, and you make a good point, in the end it should mean more on demand and more HD.
     
  4. Dec 21, 2014 #44 of 519
    Willh

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    also don't forget about the digital streaming rights to the Fox owned channels, we don't have access to the FXXNow and classic Simpsons episodes we want to see these classic episodes for the glory days of the Simpsons aka the 90s era episodes.

    plus i can see as part of the new agreement between Fox and Dish for Fox News and Fox Business when they do reach an agreement, they also drop all legal action between each other over some Hopper features and put all the bad blood in the past, Dish needs Fox more then Fox needs Dish at this point.
     
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  5. Dec 21, 2014 #45 of 519
    JTG

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    I am tired of this brinksmanship game. Dishnetwork has been my TV provider for right at 20 years. I've been a loyal subscriber who has sent several friends their way over the years.
    In my opinion their "Pointing the finger game" they play every time this happens is childish and bad for business. I fail to see how FOX and Dish cannot understand their co-dependancy, and solve these contractual issues a year or two before they have to use the nuclear option. It is absurd.
    Changing providers, which they want us to believe is "no solution" appears to be the only way to get the programming they won't provide us.
    Changing providers is a real pain in the behind, but tomorrow, for the first time in 20 years, I am going to start researching my options. I know a couple of friends have cable and another guy has had Direct TV for as long as I've had Dish.
    Perhaps I'll visit them tomorrow afternoon.
    Please wake up and smell the money, Dish. As the world is becoming increasingly wired and programming options grow your customer base is going to become empowered with options for the purchase of programming.
    Competiton, in other words.
    Do the right thing, it is in your best interest. Your recent actions demonstrate a myopic vision of the future, and won't help you maintain the core foundation of customers you are going to need as the programming options grow. Surely you see that?
     
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  6. Dec 21, 2014 #46 of 519
    James Long

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    I do not know of a provider who has not not lost a channel at some point. Most providers have had outages that lasted months. Not just DISH ... and if none of DISH's disputes over the past 20 years have pushed you out the door there is no need to panic today.

    I do not expect this outage to last long. A couple of days ... maybe a week. Perhaps people can live without the news for a week (or try another channel or the FoxNews.com website).

    Don't panic.
     
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  7. Dec 21, 2014 #47 of 519
    mwdxer

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    Well, they are gone...
     
  8. Dec 21, 2014 #48 of 519
    Stewart Vernon

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    JTG, you are playing the game FOX wants you to play here... FOX wants you to blame Dish as the evil empire and forget that FOX is just as evil of an empire. And, now, I'm not making a political statement... I'm saying FOX is every bit the big corporation that Dish is... FOX is bigger... way bigger... so if there is a bully in this scenario it would be FOX, and not Dish.

    Each company get blame in these disputes... because they are codependent... but when you look into the switching providers that FOX says you should do to get your channels... that's FOX bullying you too. If you stick it out with Dish, FOX will come back to the table.

    Switching to DirecTV or cable over a dispute like this just further empowers FOX the next time... and if you're with DirecTV or cable when it happens, what will you do then? Every time they get a bunch of viewers in an uproar it gives them fuel for the next negotiation.
     
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  9. Dec 21, 2014 #49 of 519
    Cable Lover

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    At least we get "The Blaze" back for a while. I still hope FOX isn't gone for long.
     
  10. Dec 21, 2014 #50 of 519
    khearrean

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    Just yesterday, I received an e-mail response from Dish in answer to my complaint about all of this. And just yesterday, it said the negotiations were ongoing & not to expect to see any disruption for awhile, if at all! Well, today I find it has been dropped. So today, Dish will find out that I don't threaten & keep my promises. I have been with Dish 20 years & have been as loyal as anyone else. If they don't take complaints like mine seriously when I know they have received many others, then they don't care about me! I even told them that I didn't mind a slight increase if it meant that I keep the only news source I watch. (And no, I do not blame this on Fox)! So today, they lose a loyal customer, of which I'm sure they don't care!

    Ken
     
  11. Dec 21, 2014 #51 of 519
    Paul Secic

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    I hardly watch my locals. It's mostly judges shows ETC.
     
  12. Dec 21, 2014 #52 of 519
    jamieh1

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    Ive been with Directv since 1996, ive seen a few channel disputes over the years, and most of the time channels come back in a few days or a week or two.
    My local cable company Suddenlink dropped the 20+ Viacom channels on Sept 30th and they have not returned and it does not look like they will. Suddenlink replaced the channels with new channels. The tv subscription prices are getting way out of hand. $3-$5 increases add up fast. I think providers need to stand up to them to try to get a lower price.
     
  13. Dec 21, 2014 #53 of 519
    JTG

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    The prices are getting out of hand.
    I believe it is good to look around every now and then and see what has changed in your area regarding service providers. I am certain I am not the only Dish Customer who has been motivated to do that research by this most recent run of the brinksmanship follies.
    As an example, my Mother lives in a internet limbo area, she had 2 options for internet, dial-up or hughesnet. She tried hughesnet and couldn't stand it. She found Hughes to be about the worst service and least bang for the buck you can imagine, and their customer service was abbhorrent.
    Last Spring I found a small Wi-fi provider that has pushed service in her area, lightning fast service and about half the price.Excellent customer service.
    She is tickled, told me that the call she made to shut hughesnet down was one of the best phone calls she'd ever made.
    I will do the same research for myself now, looking at TV options. I understand the positions of both compaines on this deal, and know how these games are played. When I called last night to voice my disappointment with Dish, I got the standard, "We are trying to hold your costs down". I repsonded with I certainly appreciate that, however I have yet to see Dish go through one of these cycles and then lower my rates because the did so well at the bargaining table.
     
  14. Dec 21, 2014 #54 of 519
    kkimmel

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    As a DISH subscriber I am very disappointed with your decision to pull your programming. It appears that you are more interested in extortion and leverage for financial gain than negotiating for a reasonable coverage contract. I do believe most of DISH's claims of the channel tying and substantial carriage price increase request on your part and as a reasonable person support their efforts not to be coerced. You profess to be the conservative media outlet, but are demonstrating your true colors. Goodbye FOX. I will look for other outlets for news that support my beliefs.
     
  15. Dec 21, 2014 #55 of 519
    tsmacro

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    Hopefully this has happened enough times that people are finally getting wise to the fact that changing providers just to "follow" a channel is basically telling the channel you're willing to accept any increase they're asking for. As I've stated before any channel that resorts to these tactics is dead to me while they're gone from my chosen provider. I've got a DVR full of stuff to watch, hundreds of other channels to chose from and the internet to keep me busy, easy enough not to care about any channel that choses not to be available through my television provider.
     
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    lparsons21

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    tsmacro, I'm with you!! :)

    I've got so much stuff to watch I could not watch anything new and still not be caught up until well after the new year.
     
  17. Dec 21, 2014 #57 of 519
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    See that is the thing. There are no must carry single style channels in the big scheme because so many people watch different channels.

    ESPN is one of the few that are closest.

    But this deal seems to be tied to what I just said. FOX wants several of its different content channels included so that it is a more potent thing to deal with every time a contract is up. Losing just FOX news is not a big deal. Losing all FOX channels would be much larger.

    This is why Disney is never off the air. To many different channels in one contract.
    It's also why Viacom had a big problem when DIRECTV dropped them. And turner with dish. It's a double sided coin but the more channels in a package the more people might complain to both and put pressure on both. Especially if sports is involved. You can't realistically say well they can download the game after this is settled. You can for a tv series. Sports is a big thing to have involved in this.
     
  18. Dec 21, 2014 #58 of 519
    tsmacro

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    I will say that Fox News does have the kind of viewers that do call and complain FWIW.
     
  19. Dec 21, 2014 #59 of 519
    cliburn

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    Switching to DirecTV or cable over a dispute like this just further empowers FOX the next time... and if you're with DirecTV or cable when it happens, what will you do then? Every time they get a bunch of viewers in an uproar it gives them fuel for the next negotiation.

    I disagree... not switching empowers Dish to continue to do this.... as a customer, I am SICK of it.
     
  20. Dec 21, 2014 #60 of 519
    James Long

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    FoxNews is very available through their website ... sure, people can't just sit down and watch TV to see their favorite pundits. But that source of news is not eliminated.
     
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