Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and back 1/15/2015)

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

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    DISH knows in real time ... and uses what they know about the receivers they are tracking for apps such as the "What's Hot" application on Hopper receivers.
     
  2. Nashcat

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    Thanks, James. I presume from the way you said that, they don't track all? Still that's an awesome amount of powerful information, figuratively and literally.
     
  3. Zulu

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    The butler?
     
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  4. lparsons21

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    The 25% was a wild a$$ guess as I don't know, and you don't either, how many of Fox viewers out of the 2M viewers are on Dish.

    There's been wild conjecturing about the huge percentage of Dish customers that watch Fox News. Even if ALL Fox News viewers were only on Dish, that only represents 1/7th of Dish't total subscriptions. My point is that the number of Dish subscribers that watch Fox News represents a relatively small % of Dish't total subscriber count. IOW, while Fox News may be an important channel to many, it is by far not one for the vast majority not matter how you try to count.
     
  5. TechnoCat

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    A quick search would tell you that Dish is nowhere near 25%. It's only about 15% of the TOP FIVE, so perhaps 8% overall. Comcast is the big doggie.

    Dish subscribers are probably pretty sticky. We're into the install and equipment, and probably chose Dish not over Comcast (although I have fiber and cable options), but over Directv, due to other considerations. Plus this is happening over holiday break, when Fox News is probably not the prime viewing material.
     
  6. James Long

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    It is pretty easy to say where Fox News' subscribers come from ... until last Friday nearly any subscription to DISH included Fox News (and several other news channels). 14 Million homes subscribed. DirecTV also has Fox in their low tier ... 20 Million homes.

    Finding where the viewers are for any particular channel is more of a challenge. There are no public statistics that say how many DISH subs actually watch each channel. "WAG" is probably the best we can do. Even if detailed trying to guess based on the channel's demographics vs the provider's demographics it is a guess.

    I don't see much value in trying to guess how many viewers DISH delivered to Fox News. Today it is zero. And that is the only figure we can be reasonably certain of.
     
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  7. Rotryrkt

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    Check out channel 204. Charlie is on with some pretty harsh rhetoric about the situation. Looks like this could be a long blackout. Both sides are digging in for a long battle. I watch Fox Business quite a lot and hate to see it off but I can live without it. With new price increases it's getting close to the tipping point of cutting the cord anyway.


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  8. BobCulp

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    I also saw Charlie's message on 204 last night. He mentioned a channel not in fox package is to be tripled in price, (a fox demand). My question is what channel are they referring to?
     
  9. James Long

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    That was Joe Clayton on the channel the last time I looked. Did the message change?
     
  10. Nashcat

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    Yes
     
  11. lparsons21

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    So if Dish is about 8% of total viewers out there, and Fox only has about 2M viewers on a daily basis it would seem that the number of Dish viewers that are regular viewers is fairly small in the grand scheme of things. Not quite the elephant in the room that some would like us to believe. Maybe just a very loud mouse instead!! :)
     
  12. Jaspear

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    But still enough to get their attention, otherwise Carey wouldn't be whining about it in press releases.
     
  13. lparsons21

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    Of course, you don't want to lose customers.
     
  14. mitchflorida

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    What is all of this nonsense of "being loyal to Dish"? I am loyal to whoever has the channels I want at the most reasonable price. I flipped this week from Dish to U-verse. Fox News was certainly the impetus, but U-verse is quite a bit less expensive than Dish, especially with the introductory offer.

    I can't imagine being "loyal" to Charlie Ergen. This is a commodity business now and I can pick and choose between Dish, Directv , AT&T and Comcast. I have been with all of them at one time of the other. If I am satisfied with a company, I stay. If they piss me off, I am gone. That applies to Dish and Mr. Ergen. "Loyalty" is not a consideration.
     
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  15. BobCulp

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    From #41 by James Long.
    206 FOXB FOX Business News renamed NEWS FOX Business News (110° TP 8 SD Instant Order)
    206 FOXB FOX Business News renamed NEWS FOX Business News (61.5° TP 16 SD MPEG4 Instant Order)

    Noticed that 206 was removed from the dish and guide lineup. Does not look good.
     
  16. fitnessCJ

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    I totally Disagree......you and many others have mentioned these blackouts before and don't panic. I agree with that...but this is FOX NEWS and they are not small peanuts like CNN, MSNBC, and CNN....wish by the way FOX has more viewers of their news each night than those 3 combined! YA WOW!
    I have created an account here because I plan on having Direct set me up come Monday. I was giving 1 week to see if this gets resolved but I dont see that happening after reading and hearing the social media war that is heating up between these two. I look at it like this...I watch FOX 90% of my viewing TV. The rest is award shows on other channels, some baseball, lots of NASCAR, and tons of Football...GO BUCKS ! ! !
    Look I like what I watch and look forward to watching the FIVE on my DVR each and every night. If I have time I watch many other fox news shows I also record. IF I can not have these channels then I DO NOT CARE WHO'S FAULT IT IS! Dish currently has me as a customer...so what POWER do I have...to show my disgust to DISH and leave for DIRECT. I can get a $150 visa card, and the genie in 4 rooms with a good program package all for 1/2 of what I currently pay...and after the first 12 months my bill is still going to be $10 less than my current DISH Bill. So for the last week I have NOT watched anything on my DISH other than American Pickers and Shark Tank that are sitting on my DVR. Sure I can be upset at FOX as well...but the point I want to be clear on is DISH is putting me the customer out on the front lines of a war I DO NOT WANT to even know about. what I want is the channels I watch. And based on my opinion with the comments from FOX....it sounds like FOX will get paid in the end anyways or for the first time you will have a Provider not able to get FOX news on its channel lineup.
    DISH is in a LOSE LOSE situation as each day they are losing subscribers...oh and by the way I will be paying $220 to buy out my contract....but that does not bother me...what bothers me is DISH hung me head over the fire as a negotiating tactic and I want nothing to do with them at this point. I only have one option----one power ----that is to drop DISH!
     
  17. oldanbo

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    Only 1 thing I didn't get for Christmas. Fox back on Dish. Oh yes there are more important things in life, it was just one of my little pleasures.

    Not taking sides and my new coat was a swell gift from my family. ie: not rich don't get the wrong idea.

    Merry Christmas everyone!
     
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  18. fitnessCJ

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    I just don't understand why this is even a point? I am a customer and I watch 90% of Fox News.......so DISH has to ask the question do I want to do what everyone else has done and keep all of my viewers? OR Take on a fight they will not win? As a customer I am more pissed at DISH....this is what they get paid for...I don't run Dish Network and I don't want to be faced with the decisions I now have to make because I will pay $$$ for Fox News. At some point the debate to which network demands what cost can become a huge issue for the little news that can't. I am referring to MSNBC and CNN. To me FOX has 3x the viewers and is worth paying...so stop paying and black out channels that are not worth it. Wither you like FOX or not...they have been and are getting bigger every year. I am actually amazed at their growth. I used to watch MSNBC with Chris Mathews and after Obama was elected I started turning the channel and found many shows on FOX as for invigorating to watch. I am an Independent and I am shocked that DISH is playing Russian roulette with its customers.
    I am left with no choice but to leave DISH and I do not see a reason to wait any longer due to comments like this:
    http://www.dishstandsforyou.com/
    I don't want to hear this garbage- I want to hear how the agreements are going and how close they are. Does he really think this is a blame game? It is about customers purchasing a product! Did Dish consider what % of their customers will leave for the ability to have the FOX NEWS CHANNEL. I seriously think this guy is point the finger to FOX....Dish will take a pounding in this and after AT&T joins Direct...Dish will be absorbed as well in a few years.
     
  19. fitnessCJ

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    WOW this is an easy one! FOX is a Republican or Conservative leaning point of view on the news. Do you think young people give two hoots about the topics being talked about on these shows FOX has? Nope...once the younger have to get a job, pay a mortgage, buy Diapers, and just plain getting older they begin to have more traditional values and that is aligned with Fox News Broadcast shows. I know for a fact Democrats that watch the network. They don't vote republican but enjoy watching the network and Yes they are all older in age like 50 to 60's. Please understand this is my opinion and my experience as I have many customers that are older in my snow removal and grass cutting business's.
     
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  20. fitnessCJ

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    And to your point....this is why I believe FOX is in this for the long run! They will get what % of that 8% to switch to a carrier that has FOX News. I am one of them! Currently on DISH and I have always preferred DISH, but as soon as I saw my 90% watched channels gone I called to find out exact amount it would cost me to leave DISH. I just wont be able to pay each month for programming I wont watch. Yes i understand these numbers were just thrown out there, but don't attack me I wish I had access to Dish's DVR #'s
     
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