Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and back 1/15/2015)

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  1. mitchflorida

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    I am pretty sure it is Fox Sports 2, which Dish barely pays anything for. It used to be called the Fuel TV.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

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    I always put the blame on both companies for not coming up with a deal... but I generally support Dish because I want my bill to stay lower. There is NEVER a dispute that I'm aware of where the channel is asking Dish to pay less... it's always a discussion about paying more... so Dish playing hardball lowers the bill. The bill still goes up, just not as much as it could have.

    FOX is putting you the viewer on the chopping block every bit as much as Dish is... FOX controls the content, so if you're not getting to watch FOX News that is on FOX and Dish... you can't blame one and not the other. They had a deal, FOX wanted more, Dish did not... FOX chose to take their ball and go home rather than keep playing and see if they could negotiate at some point.

    That's FOX's right to do so and I don't blame them for that. I do, however, blame FOX when they start with the "go to DirecTV" nonsense. In all of these disputes the channel wanting more money swears it isn't up to them to raise your bill... and swears Dish took your programming away... and says you should switch companies if you want to keep watching... except, IF everyone does that... then FOX will try and hold that company and its customers hostage next time.

    I get that you want to watch channels... and if you decide to switch, that's fine... but I don't like the network in the dispute trying to get people to switch. It's playing kids games. Both of these companies need to negotiate as adults and quit negotiating on fan Web sites and trying to stir people up... Agree or disagree and move on... that's what I wish they would do... and then if customers want to switch, that's fine too. I just don't like either side of these debates sitting back and stirring the pot of viewers and trying to get us to go their negotiating for them.
     
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  3. mitchflorida

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    Can you imagine paying Dish $125 a month and not getting the main channel that you watch or rely on? I am out now, so I hope Charlie holds out for 10 years. He's not doing it for us, he is doing it for himself. He gets a charge out of all of these disputes and all of the publicity he gets from it.
     
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  4. James Long

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    Ah ... I was away from my TV.
    Yes, Mr Ergen's message is much more directed and informative than Mr Clayton's.


    I would not worry. It was airing content from 208. Channels are just as easily put back.


    Good ratings for cable news ... but DISH has gone toe to toe with companies with much higher ratings.
    If it is your channel ratings never matter. People miss their favorite shows on channels others have never heard of.


    DISH and Fox have placed viewers in this position. As you may have read, DISH's carriage contract expired. Without a contract from Fox DISH cannot continue carriage. You are probably more apt to believe that Fox offered an extension DISH refused than that DISH offered an extension Fox refused. In either case ... no contract, no carriage.


    Fox is using you, the loyal viewer, as their tool against DISH. You can do what Fox asks on their website and drop DISH. Or you can wait and see how long the dispute lasts. But it is your money, your choice. DISH is not forcing you do do Fox's bidding and leave.
     
  5. mwdxer

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    I don't blame Dish. If Dish automatically agreed to all of these rate increases, we would be paying double what we pay. I remember years ago, Dish rarely had these disputes to the point of losing a channel. If there were any, they were rare. Back in the day when Dish was not forced to pay OTA stations. I guess this is the future, one dispute after another. I guess we need to get used to it. Now if streaming ever gets to the point where the subscriber can deal directly with the programmer, then we can decide if we want to pay the price. Right now expect for Netflix, I do not pay for any streaming on the Roku. I get what is free. Watching ads does not bother me. I have always felt, if a programmer runs ads, then the service should be free to watch. If they do not run ads, then it is a pay service like HBO, Showtime,etc. But in today's world, the greedy programmers have it both ways, run the ads, and charge through the nose for the channel. If that means we do not have a channel, so be it. I may miss something, like I did with the loss of TCM for a time, but Dish has to make a stand. We all have to remember, the programmers needs Dish as much as Dish needs them. They lose millions in these disputes.
     
  6. mwdxer

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    Get a Roku if you are interested in International News. Sky News from the UK is beautiful in pq.
     
  7. mwdxer

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    By the way, the longer Fox is gone from Dish, the better for the other news channels we get like CNN, MSNBC, News Max, etc, as they will get more viewers.
     
  8. Wilf

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    I agree, and they have a lot of US news. It is hard to believe that Sky and Fox have the same owner - they are so different in many ways.
     
  9. tsmacro

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    I would think that NewsMax would get the biggest kick in ratings, first of all they report the news from a similar slant as Fox News, secondly since NewsMax is a new channel with very low ratings any increase in viewers is going to end up looking really good as a percentage.
     
  10. tsmacro

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    Who's saying anyone should be loyal to Dish? However after thinking about it being loyal to Dish is no crazier than being loyal any particular brand or store, I mean there are people who swear by more expensive brand names sitting side by side on the store shelves with the same product with a generic label that cost less. There's people who are loyal to certain stores, some think Wal-Mart is the $h!t because they always have the lowest price, some think Target is better because it's "nicer" even if slightly higher priced. Hell some people are even crazy enough to be loyal to a particular channel to the point of switching providers to follow the channel even though this behavior results in higher bills. People are loyal to all sorts of crazy things so being loyal to Dish is no worse than any of those. In any case I personally think you should pick whatever television provider works best for you whatever the reason is, I doubt for most people the reason is blind loyalty though.
     
  11. lparsons21

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    Dish still has the better technology IMO.

    But HD channel lag is certainly there, hopefully to be addressed 'soon'. And as to losing customers, well frankly I expect going forward that losing net subscribers will become more the norm than the exception as prices keep rising and quality of the content on the channels keeps dropping.
     
  12. Jaspear

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    Short of Dish switching out millions of antiquated receivers, or the federal government ending it's crony local channel monopoly, using the word "soon" to describe more HD on Dish is very relative. ;)

    Letting negotiations degrade to the point of channel removal will only exacerbate the loss of subscribers. Charlie's 'they snuck one in on us' argument is disingenuous at best. They've known about the underhanded tactics fox uses against providers (especially Dish) for years. They should have anticipated it long before it was too late to avoid the channel blackout.
     
  13. Jaspear

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    Oh, and thanks to the mods for not locking this thread. It's nice to have a forum to discuss this on.
     
  14. mwdxer

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    The issue with NewsMax in at channel #223 ( I think), many do not know they are there. Dish should have moved NewsMax over to #204. That would have been a real boost for NewsMax.
     
  15. mitchflorida

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    Newsmax pays to be on Dish and it isn't a normal news channel. It is free to anyone who has a Roku or personal computer.
     
  16. James Long

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    FYI: TheBlaze is now on channel 205 in HD (as well as 212 in SD).
     
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    I wonder how many people continue to watch more of the replacement channels long term after a dispute and less of the disputed channels. I would bet that it causes some long term impact. I think Newsmax would be more hurtful to Fox News than the Blaze.
     
  18. satcrazy

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    Great...
    Agreed.

    The irony here is, I just [ last week] hooked up the roku Dish was giving out during the AMC dispute. [ Didn't really have the need for a wireless router at the time, and the Dish roku has no eathernet port] .

    It does have a Fox news app, however.

    Furthermore, if sub pricing keeps going up, I can use this set top for streaming if I decide to cut the cable.

    Talk about Dish being accommodating :righton:
     
  19. altidude

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    I'm watching CNN for news until Fox News is back. I'll take a look at NewsMax after reading this thread, though. When Fox News comes back I'm back to Fox News.

    Funny thing is I was pricing out an upgrade for our Dish system a couple of days before Fox News went dark. I was ready to pull the trigger on a Hopper, a Super Joey and a Joey but I'll wait and see how long this goes.
     
  20. fudpucker

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    I wonder how much money Charlie puts in his pocket if he goes a month without paying Fox for their channel? User bills don't go down during that time so if he isn't paying whatever the monthly bill is to Fox, that's just money in his bank.
     
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