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Making the Jump to FiOS from DIRECTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Reaper, Nov 18, 2008.

  1. Nov 19, 2008 #41 of 172
    raott

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    So your neighborhood doesn't have FIOS (due to local laws), but you are still claiming that FIOS isn't run to the home?
     
  2. Nov 19, 2008 #42 of 172
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    Read it again....that's not at all what was said. :rolleyes:

    Copper is run to homes in the county from curbside connections.
     
  3. Nov 19, 2008 #43 of 172
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    Running fiber to the curbside (either on the pole or underground) is the first step. They do that wherever they run FiOS. But at some point they activate the service in the area, and you have to get installed. When they install you they run fiber from the curbside to your home. That's the way it's currently set up. Will that change? I have no idea. Like I said, their current architecture doesn't even allow for FTTN hook-ups. I'm not sure what will happen when Verizon takes you guys to court over this (which, I'm betting they will). They've hit this kind of opposition before, and they've always won - the reason? Every property has an easement just for these types of services. Hell, I have a pole in the back corner of my yard. Because of that I HAVE to provide access to my backyard to any and all such companies (phone, electric, cable, etc.), no questions asked (I've had my share of mornings where I've woken up to a guy walking across my back yard, ladder in toe, to service the pole).

    If your area has underground utilities, then they have to allow for service companies to get to those utilities. If you guys win that fight (don't think it'll happen, but I guess it could), then we'll see what Verizon does. Until then, what I wrote is 100% correct - they run FTTP for all FiOS installs, which means (currently) the latency you're talking about is a moot point. Yeah, you see SOME degredation of speeds, but come on... relatively short coax runs (aka the kind found in a home) can easily handle speeds of 100Mbps.
     
  4. Nov 19, 2008 #44 of 172
    Steve

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    By Verizon? For FiOS internet or TV? Or simply for POTS and DSL? /steve
     
  5. Nov 19, 2008 #45 of 172
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    That's simply not accurate. Short copper runs (anything inside a home is considered short for this purpose) can handle incredibly high speeds. That didn't use to be the case but technical advancements have made this pretty simple. I spent 30 years with AT&T.
     
  6. Nov 19, 2008 #46 of 172
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    Which brings us full circle to the fact that as of today, 4 cities in the county have suits to oppose this happening in my county.
    No fiber to the house (on "residential lands or lots", as the lawsuits call it) is currently permitted in this county.

    By No One.

    For No service.
     
  7. Nov 19, 2008 #47 of 172
    hdtvfan0001

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    So 250' or more (including curbside to a house) is a "short" copper run?

    Not according to any engineers (including 2 I personally know from AT&T), multiple telecomm communications experts, or additional digital hardware gurus I've spoken with on the subject.
     
  8. Nov 19, 2008 #48 of 172
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    So.... you're raising a strawman argument. FiOS has degredation in speed because the coax runs from the curbside to your home is really long... which hurts the performance of FiOS in your area... but FTTP in your area isn't allowed... Which means that, since there is no FTTP in your neighborhood, there is no FiOS there either, and therefore this IS no degredation in performance that you're mentioning in any FiOS setup... Which means that your point is... what? I'm getting dizzy over this one :)

    As for your neighbor's comments - that doesn't really surprise me that a Comcast person knows so much about fiber - they run fiber as part of their backbone all over the place. They've long contended (around here, anyway) that they're really no different from Verizon because they have fiber too! It doesn't surprise me to have a Comcast person tell you that their architecture (which is what he's referencing) is as good as Verizon's with regard to fiber. What he's describing is their company's argument against Verizon - at least that's one of the arguments that I've seen around here (you want fiber? then come to Comcast! We have more fiber than Verizon!).
     
  9. Nov 19, 2008 #49 of 172
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    Now you've got it!

    The OP is about how and why someone changed, and additional points were being made as to its merits. Therein, this prompted the observation on obstacles to others making the switch.

    As for the Comcast's extensive fiber usage...of course, you live in Comcast's backyard.

    ...but now we're home. :D
     
  10. Nov 19, 2008 #50 of 172
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    I am 99.9 percent sure that I will switch to FiOS when it becomes available in my area.
     
  11. Nov 19, 2008 #51 of 172
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    Holy crap! I'm exhausted! :) I'm going to have lunch. One thing I'll say - this discussion helped keeping me from falling asleep during one really boring... long... meeting here at work :)
     
  12. Nov 19, 2008 #52 of 172
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    Whew......
     
  13. Nov 19, 2008 #53 of 172
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    Actually, what prompted the entire discussion was your first post indicating that, in a FIOS install, fiber wasn't run to the house.
     
  14. Nov 19, 2008 #54 of 172
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    I gotta give ya that one...

    !rolling !rolling !rolling
     
  15. Nov 19, 2008 #55 of 172
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    Have it your way. I know what I did for a living and I know how it works.
     
  16. Nov 19, 2008 #56 of 172
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    No...what I said that in THIS area, fiber isn't run to the house anywhere.

    Again, perhaps we can start a Reading 101" class. :rolleyes:
     
  17. Nov 19, 2008 #57 of 172
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    Perhaps we can. Reread my post then reread your FIRST post. Then show me where it says THIS area.
     
  18. Nov 19, 2008 #58 of 172
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    Totally untrue. As I've pointed out at least twice before in this thread, 250' of copper can deliver an order of magnitude more bandwidth than the three FiOS home services will require. So your point about funneling down fiber capacity to copper is meaningless in this context, even if Verizon ever decided to run it that way. /steve
     
  19. Nov 19, 2008 #59 of 172
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    I stand corrected...it was my second post on that topic...and repeated numerous times since...

    "Well around here 100' copper runs to the house and then internal of the homes are the norm."
     
  20. Nov 19, 2008 #60 of 172
    hdtvfan0001

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    I guess 9 other folks that I've extensively spoken with on this spefici issue (since its a hot one in this area), all with engineering degrees or 15+ years of experience in this field, all respectfully disagree.

    No harm, no foul.
     

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