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Markets where CBS in holding out in HD

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by mdmcvay, Feb 3, 2007.

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  1. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    D* and E* have to spend a lot of dollars to provide those channels to you. There's the receive setup in the city, a back haul to the broadcast center, all the encoders and mux'es to get the signal in a format for uplink, then the uplink and the transponder on the satellite. So it's not like they're keeping every penny without spending anything to provide it. And you forget the part that this is a signal that's transmitted in the clear over the public airwaves. D* and E* are not retransmitting this signal to any other area but the DMA for the original signal and allowing the public to receive a signal that they might not otherwise be able to get, which in the big picture is a benefit to the broadcaster.
  2. lwilli201

    lwilli201 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 22, 2006
    Im not real sure what you mean that D* is keeping all the money. I wonder how long it will take for D* to pay for the Ka sats at 99 and 103 (at around $300 mil each) plus the cost of the new sats that will provide HD LIL to more cities. D* has to pay for a broadband fiber link with each city that they carry on their sats. Have you ever priced that. D* has to install a new encoder for each new channel provided. Add on monitoring and maintenance.

    D* just cant take the local signals without permission. If there was a mountain between you and a local station, it is not there responsibility to make sure you can get their signal. So even if it is free, you can not get it. Any one capable of getting HD OTA should do it. It is free that way. If not you need to pay for cable or satallite. No free ride.

    Most broadcasters have agreements with D*. So who is being greedy here?
  3. lwilli201

    lwilli201 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 22, 2006
    Hi RAD

    Looks like we think alike.

    Sorry about the Horns getting beat today.
  4. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002

    Thanks. Sorry didn't notice, I'm a recent transplant from the Chicago area, more worried about what tomorrow will bring.
  5. Ed Campbell

    Ed Campbell Hall Of Fame

    Feb 17, 2006
    Lin is the worst of the lot. Greedy and grasping. They bought the local CBS station [out of Albuquerque] which has held out for years against selling rights at a price comparable to other channels in the region > and then raised the asking price!

    We haven't HD locals, anyway; but, Comcast customers are screwed out of Super Bowl in HD if they live beyond OTA -- as are D* and E* customers, as well. It's not that they want to be paid for their OTA broadcasts. They want to be paid more than anyone else.
  6. HDfreddy

    HDfreddy Mentor

    Dec 9, 2006
    LIN S U C K S. In fact, every station should give us HD for free. Did we pay for color when it went from black and white to color?

  7. lwilli201

    lwilli201 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 22, 2006
    Yes this SB is a biggy for Chicago. I was stationed at Ft Sheridan, many, many years ago. Got to see a couple of Cubby games while there. Didnt get to see a Bears game.
  8. Canis Lupus

    Canis Lupus You make it, We break it

    Oct 16, 2006
    Wow - lame.
  9. lwilli201

    lwilli201 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 22, 2006
    I wonder is LIN can legally sell content that they pay to broadcast, without giving the content provider part of the revenue. I think CBS would not like it if LIN stations were reselling their network content.
  10. sonofjay

    sonofjay Legend

    Aug 29, 2006
    LIN cut a deal with Cox in our market for the SB only. They did the same thing 2 years ago when they announced that they were "really" close in negotiations. :nono2:

    What sucks here, in the Providence DMA, is that LIN own both CBS and FOX affiliates. :mad:

    I was pysched when I saw CBS was added, only to be disappointed shortly after when I saw the message. Doesn't make much sense to me to add a channel people don't think they have, only to tell them they don't have it....

  11. MartyS

    MartyS New Member

    Dec 29, 2006
    Just FYI, here's a list of the stations that Lin owns...

    TV stations Owned and/or Operated by LIN
    Current DMA# Market Station Channel (DT) Current Affiliation Acquired Notes
    25. Indianapolis, Indiana WISH-TV 8 (9) CBS 1984 Ex-flagship
    WNDY-TV 23 (32) MyNetworkTV 2005 Licensed to Marion, Indiana
    WIIH-CA 17 Univision ca 2000 Simulcasted WISH's weather radar until 2003
    28. New Haven, Connecticut WTNH 8 (10) ABC 1994
    WCTX 59 (39) MyNetworkTV 2001 Operated by LIN since 1995
    32. Columbus, Ohio WWHO 53 (46) CW 2005 Licensed to Chillicothe, Ohio
    Was UPN/WB until Sept. 2006
    39. Grand Rapids, Michigan WOOD-TV 8 (7) NBC 1999
    Kalamazoo, Michigan WOTV 41 (20) ABC 2001 LMA'd by LIN for several years prior
    WXSP-CA 15** MyNetworkTV 2002 ** Simulcasted on:

    * WOBC-CA 14 Battle Creek
    * WOLP-CA 27 Grand Rapids
    * WOMS-CA 29 Muskegon
    * WOHO-CA 33 Holland
    * WOKZ-CA 50 Kalamazoo
    * WOOD-DT 8.2 and WOTV-DT 41.2

    42. Norfolk, Virginia WAVY-TV 10 (31) NBC 1968 First station owned by LIN TV; Licensed to Portsmouth, Virginia
    WVBT 43 (29) Fox 2002 Operated by LIN since 1995; licensed to Virginia Beach
    45. Albuquerque, New Mexico KRQE 13 (16) CBS 2005
    KASA-TV 2 (27) Fox 2006 (sale pending from Raycom Media)
    Roswell, New Mexico KBIM 10 (41) CBS 2005 Satellite of KRQE
    Durango, Colorado KREZ 6 (15) CBS 2005 Satellite of KRQE
    49. Buffalo, New York WIVB-TV 4 (32) CBS 1995
    WNLO 23 (39) CW 2001 Was Independent until 2003; UPN until Sept. 2006
    51. Providence, Rhode Island WPRI 12 (13) CBS 2002 Flagship
    WNAC-TV 64 (54) Fox (primary)/
    MyNetworkTV (secondary) LMA Owned by LIN 2001-02
    52. Austin, Texas KXAN 36 (21) NBC 1979
    KNVA 54 (49) CW (primary)/
    MyNetworkTV (secondary) LMA Operated by LIN since the 1990s.
    Was WB until Sept. 2006
    KBVO-CA 51 TeleFutura 2001
    Llano, Texas KXAM-TV 14 (27) NBC 1987 Satellite of KXAN
    58. Dayton, Ohio WDTN 2 (50) NBC 2002 Was ABC until 2004
    59. Mobile, Alabama WALA-TV 10 (9) Fox 2005
    WBPG 55 (9) CW 2006 Licensed to Gulf Shores, Alabama. Operated by LIN since 2005. Was WB until Sept. 2006
    High-definition programming on WALA-DT2 (10.2).
    69. Green Bay, Wisconsin WLUK-TV 11 (51) Fox 2005
    71. Toledo, Ohio WUPW 36 (46) Fox 2002
    82. Decatur, Illinois WAND-TV 17 (18) NBC *** ***Owned by Block Communications in a joint
    venture; was LIN-owned for much of the 1990's

    Was ABC until 2005
    106. Fort Wayne, Indiana WANE-TV 15 (31) CBS 1984
    109. Springfield, Massachusetts WWLP 22 (11) NBC 2000
    151. Terre Haute, Indiana WTHI-TV 10 (24) CBS 2005
    188. Lafayette, Indiana WLFI-TV 18 (11) CBS 2000 Obtained in exchange for WAND

    P.S. - Sorry bout the formatting... M
  12. HossMcD

    HossMcD Cool Member

    Jan 25, 2006
    Has anyone of you in the areas affected by the CBS-HD problem tried contacting your State Senator or Congressman in Washington? They are the ones that passed the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (or whatever it's called) that gave the locals the right to NOT allow us to watch distant signals. Since they voted to create this problem maybe the elected officials can apply some pressure on your CBS affiliates to be reasonable.
  13. DBP310

    DBP310 New Member

    Oct 25, 2006
    If say Directv has to pay CBS to show the SB, then why couldn’t they sell some 30 sec spots for just their customers to offset the cost?

    I think Cable and Dish providers should be allowed to carry local stations free of charge. At the same time they should not be allowed to insert any alt. programming. They should forced to show exactly what the station is providing.

    All they would be doing is increasing the viewing audience for the local station. The provider gets its fees for providing the medium and the station gets fees for people viewing its commercials.
  14. mdmcvay

    mdmcvay AllStar

    Aug 30, 2006
    Are there any lawyers out there? Is this grounds for a class action lawsuit? Just wondering. I have emailed my local affiliate, CBS, one of my Senators, and my Congresswoman, and the US gov website with the concern being Federal Communications. I have informed CBS and my Local that I will be starting to voice my concerns with their advertisers and will inform their advertisers of a boycott against them until this is resolved. I will start on a local level and then after about 1 month will go national. Please if this effects you or you believe that this "just ain't right", please join me and my efforts. It will take numbers to make anything happen.


  15. lwilli201

    lwilli201 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 22, 2006
    Thankfully, KC does not have a LIN channel.

    You have a great plan. Put emphisis on the advertisers. That will hurt the stations the most, their pocket books.
  16. burnside

    burnside AllStar

    Oct 9, 2006
    I'm in the Portland, OR market and we get the same message that D* is not authorized to show SB. We also don't get ABC. Sucks for us. :(
  17. pgfitzgerald

    pgfitzgerald Godfather

    Nov 29, 2005
    I too am in Memphis, and WREG-DT just started showing up in the guide for me too.

    According to the CSR I just spoke with, we'll start seeing programming at midnight tonight.

    I hope that's true... I'll be able to save some disk space by recording the MPEG4 signal rather than the MPEG2 OTA signal.

  18. mdmcvay

    mdmcvay AllStar

    Aug 30, 2006
    Paul, I hope you're right. I will believe it when I see it though. I think its just a way to let the consumer know, and maybe get them motivated to light a fire under their local affiliates. People are seeing this message in Indy, Memphis, Milwaukee, and Portland. I'm sure Providence is getting this too but no one from there has replied yet. These are the five that have some of their locals but not CBS. I can receive it OTA but I am like you and would like to use less space when I record NCIS and CSI.
  19. TheRatPatrol

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    Ok I'm still a little confused by all of this. Is D* offering CBS in these markets, but they are not showing the Superbowl only, or is D* not offering CBS at all in these markets and thats why they can't show the SB? :confused:
  20. sonofjay

    sonofjay Legend

    Aug 29, 2006
    Its the latter, D* doesn't have rights to CBS in these markets.
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