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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. SayWhat?

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    If humans weren't over hunting their prey and encroaching into their natural territories, they wouldn't have that problem.

    Like I said, nature did just fine for centuries before humans arrived. The buffalo didn't become nearly extinct until humans started killing them en'mass.

    If a species goes extinct through natural selection, fine. But no species should be put at risk of extinction by human waste or greed or the need of some urbanites to get in touch with their inner caveman.

    I support hunting for those that actually live off the land.

    I do not support trophy/sport/management hunting.
     
  2. runner861

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    Really? Can you prove that this happened? Where is the police report? Or did you bother to make one? Was this ever prosecuted?
     
  3. RunnerFL

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    Where did I say you did? You see when someone ends a sentence with a ? they are asking a question. A question is what is asked when someone wants to know an answer. If I were making a statement my sentence would have ending with a period.


    So you think we should all go away and leave nature alone? (That's a question btw)
     
  4. RunnerFL

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    You've got conflicting statements here. You support hunting for those that actually live off the land but you're blaming humans for killing buffalo. Umm, buffalo were killed off by Indians who were living off the land.
     
  5. MysteryMan

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    So, "legally" owning something is not a good reason to have it? :sure: People legally own cars that can exceed 120 MPH but there is nowhere in the U.S. where they can travel at such a speed on public roads. Does that mean they shouldn't own cars capable of exceeding 120 MPH? I served in the Army for 25 years and am a combat veteran. I scored expert with the M-16, M-203, M-60, and 45 ACP. I was also a Range Safety NCO. I hold a FFL and legally own and purchase firearms including assault rifles. I live in a very rural area. My home is on 52 acres. I built my own shooting range and use it along with invited guests including State Troopers who reside in my area. They don't have a problem with people like me owning guns of any type. Why should you?
     
  6. SayWhat?

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    Essentially, yes. The planet would be better off without humans.


    Wrong. The Indians hunted Buffalo for food, clothing and shelter. Very little went to waste. They even made tools from the bones. Killing a Buffalo was a rite of passage and the animals were highly valued and respected. An entire tribe might only kill a few hundred animals a year.

    Buffalo were not endangered until white Buffalo hunters began slaughtering them by the thousands in mass kills. They'd skin off the hide and leave the carcasses to rot. Hundreds could be killed in one day, sometimes wiping out entire herds. Some accounts say the hunters carried more than one gun because the barrels would get too hot from all the firing.
     
  7. MysteryMan

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    Obviously reading with comprehension isn't your forte. I said in my post one ran when I pulled my 45 ACP. The other I let go. Perhaps a adult education reading course is warranted to improve your lack of reading skills. There is no police report because it wasn't reported, thus preventing any prosecution. I settled the matter the old fashioned way! As for proof, you can ask my wife when she gets home. But I'd tread lightly questioning her truthfulness Buster! :rolleyes: Edit: Spelling error corrected.
     
  8. RunnerFL

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    AKA "Living off the land" which you said was ok right after you complained about buffalos being killed. Contradiction...

    Considering the Indians didn't have a word for "endangered" and "white man" came up with the word "endangered" they couldn't have been "endangered" to the Indians. It was the Indians who took the most buffalo.
     
  9. runner861

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    Ok, this is your story and you are sticking to it. One wonders why it wasn't reported, likely because it never happened, at least not the way you are describing it.

    Sorry, your uncorroborated statement doesn't carry much weight.

    By the way, my "lake" of reading skills? I do like fishing in a lake, though.
     
  10. MysteryMan

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    Neither does your bullsh*t. ;) Can you prove it didn't happen? :sure:
     
  11. Cholly

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    :soapbox: Wow....what started as a civil discussion about the horrendous killing spree by one young man who had enough firepower to kill everyone in the school and only stopped and turned a gun on himself when he heard the police arrive has turned into the typical diatribe between gun lovers and anti-gun people. How childish. :(

    How about toning it down a bit. Instead of spending time arguing over whether it's okay to stockpile weapons, spend a little time trying to understand why the United States is arguably the most violent of all developed countries (ignoring the small third world countries of Africa). :eek2:
    And puhleeze--let's stop with the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" drivel. It speaks poorly of the NRA, which should disavow it. We all know that guns in the hands of people kill people. The gun is merely an instrument that facilitates killing. :rolleyes:
     
  12. KK in CT

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    I think you missed my point - it shouldn't be legal to own an assault rifle period. The car analogy is not a good one, since to my knowledge people don't use fast cars as a weapon to purposely mow down a large amount of people. It's nice that you are skilled with weapons and are also responsible with yours, unfortunately that is not the case with everyone. Again, we're talking weapons here, much different than a car. An assault weapons intended purpose is to kill many people at once. A car's intended purpose is to get someone from point A to point B. Should someone skilled with explosives be allowed to own and store them in their home so they can practice their craft? What about people who are trained to operate a tank - should they be allowed to own one? I'm not against people owning guns entirely. But other than in the military/police force, what legitimate use does an assault weapon have?
     
  13. SayWhat?

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    That's pretty much what we're doing. The US is a gun and violence based society, like it or not.

    The question is how to change it?
     
  14. Carl Spock

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    +1 for Cholly.

    While I'm sure heated arguments will be forthcoming, it is nice to see that the national dialog is more reasoned than the one here. I think everyone was so repelled by this incident, people may get off their positions and try to find a answers in a middle ground that is acceptable to a broad range of people, answers that will also address mental health issues and the violent aspects of our culture as well as gun control.
     
  15. Hoosier205

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    Some people care more about keeping their precious assault weapons than the deaths of 20 first graders.
     
  16. runner861

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    You see to be very interested in a certain area of the body. You have talked about enemas, rectums, and now this. What about the death of innocent kindergarteners? Oh, that's right, you are too busy making up stories about how you were almost mugged so you can justify your fascination with assault weapons.
     
  17. RunnerFL

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    Who has said that and where? Please point it out.
     
  18. wilbur_the_goose

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  19. MysteryMan

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    Watch my fingers, I'm going to type slow for you. I hold a FFL. I can "legally" purchase and own firearms and ammunition. Now what part of that don't you understand? While you may not like it you have to accept it. :D I've already stated my feelings about those massacred in Newtown, Connecticut. I'm not going to repeat them just to benefit you. Fact: There are "thousands" of state and federal gun control laws on the books. Fact: Those "thousands" of gun control laws did absolutely nothing to prevent the tradegy that occured in Newton, Connecticut. Fact: Laws are only effective when people obey them. If people don't obey gun control laws passing more gun control laws will have no effective on those breaking the law. A sane person wouldn't even think about doing what occured in Newtown, Connecticut. Mental health issues are what need to be addressed. It's people like you and the mucky mucks in government that have a problem understanding that.
     
  20. RunnerFL

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    Agreed, 110%.
     
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