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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. Hoosier205

    Hoosier205 Active Member

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    No. Far too many of them are however. They remain so because of gun owners who lobby agaisnt them or support those who do.
     
  2. damondlt

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    Point out where I said its ok for AR ownership.
    And where I said its ok for people to own AR's


    NO WHERE!!!!!

    I said I'm not for a gun ban.
    Meaning If I still want to keep my 40 cal I should have the right to do so!

    AR's and other , "I'm cool"weapons mean nothing to me.
     
  3. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Multiple things in play here.

    Yes, there are some who would like to try and ban all guns. That probably will never happen, and definitely wouldn't fix all problems anyway.

    BUT... clearly EVERYONE agrees a line should be drawn somewhere. Nobody here thinks we should all have the right to our own personal nuclear arms arsenal, right? But, our military has access to them... and if we have the right to "bear arms" to defend against a "tyrannical" regime... then wouldn't we need nuclear?

    Ok... with that out of the way... clearly the problem is determining where to draw the line in the sand... because I think we all agree nuclear is not something people should be walking around with... and I don't hear anyone saying "if you just ban nuclear weapons, then only criminals will have them"... so can we stop that particular argument?

    And for knives... some have said "we can't ban knives"... except, well... some places have in fact banned carrying a machete or a samurai-type sword... so, yes, you can in fact ban some types of knives.

    Try walking down the street with a machete in hand and see how long it takes for a police officer to come up and ask you what's going on...

    We have the "right to bear arms" so we should have the right to a machete right? I mean, it is a knife... and we can't ban knives...

    So... one of the biggest holes everyone falls into is banning all guns vs letting everyone have whatever they want. Why can't people just get to the more important point of haggling where that line should be drawn on which kinds of weapons will be most (and least) accessible?
     
  4. damondlt

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    Could have fooled me with all of the falsely accused murder insults, of my 3 gun ownership.:mad:

    By the way I own a
    270 bolt action
    22 bolt action
    40 semi automatic.

    Hardly an assult collection.:rolleyes:
     
  5. Hoosier205

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    I didn't accuse you of murder. I accused you of supporting the murderer's access to the weapons he used.
     
  6. damondlt

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    Agree!
     
  7. Scott Kocourek

    Scott Kocourek Well-Known Member

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    Isn't an "assualt weapon" just a semi-automatic rifle with a certain look?

    The picture that is being tossed around this thread is certainly not the most powerful rifle out there.
     
  8. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Like you? Your mouth is two minutes ahead of your brain. Again runner861, watch my fingers, I'm going to type slow. You have repeatedly been asked to quote and provide the post number backing your mistruths about my posts. The following are the only logical reasons why you havn't. A-You Can't. B-Multitasking isn't your forte. C-You just won't admit you were wrong. D-All of the above......Hint, the correct answer is D- All of the above. ;)
     
  9. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Assault Rifle is a term used to describe semi automatic versions of their military counterparts. You are correct about the picture being tossed around.
     
  10. Hoosier205

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    damondlt New Member

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    Thats an AR with a 30 round clip, yes Semi Auto. No its not the most powerful, But the fact it holds atleast 30 rounds, causes plenty of damage.

    I've head 50 round clips can be had according to Newtown Police.
     
  12. runner861

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    Have you managed to identify the criminal justice system yet? You said you wanted to give it an enema, then couldn't come with anything at all that you wanted to do, then couldn't even identify it at all. What actually do you know? What are you good at, other than throwing out insults and other meaningless statements? And making things up? Go ahead and issue another insult if it makes you feel better. I doubt that I'll bother to respond. But I know that you want to have the last word.
     
  13. wilbur_the_goose

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    Why not just reinstate the Brady Bill?
     
  14. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    The only one issuing insults is you. You have misquoted what I have posted and cast doubt on my being truthful without providing evidence. You are hardly the injuried party. I'm good at many things I apply myself to but unlike you making a ass out of myself isn't one of them. I don't go around accusing people of making things up without being able to back it up. And unlike you I freely admit when I am wrong and have done so here on DBSTALK.
     
  15. coldsteel

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    I used a 100-round drum for an M16/AR-15 in the army, when I carried an M231 FPW.
     
  16. RunnerFL

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    Please provide proof to back up this statement.
     
  17. Carl Spock

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    wilbur, do you notice that for the most part, yours, Cholly's and my suggestions are being ignored in this thread? How instead it is being dominated by strong positions on both sides? That a solution which would tighten some gun laws but would still allow the sale and ownership of the vast majority of guns by the vast majority of folks is of no interest in this discussion?

    According to this thread, the solution is either to ban everything above a pea shooter or allow folks to own bazookas. I exaggerate only slightly.

    I mean, really, who wants to talk about how society (1) has an addiction to various mediums which glorify gun violence and (2) doesn't have much public health support for mental diseases? It's much more satisfying to flame each other. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Hoosier205

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    Seriously? Please explain how a firearm gets into the possession of a non-legal owner first in this country...as in...it's first owner after being manufactured. How exactly does that work? I believe that the most popular handgun in America is the Glock 17, made in Austria. Are criminals forcing entry at their plant in Deutsch-Wagram, stealing guns, and selling them on the street here?
     
  19. Phil T

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    I worked at a school district of 25 schools near Columbine. Since Columbine my district spent over 2 million dollars on security. They bought cameras, DVR's, better doors and windows, locks, buzzers, radios and now pay the city and county for officers to be in the high schools and middle schools. They also staff a security office 24 hours a day. Most districts across the country have done the same.

    They have also laid of 100's of teachers and administrative staff and closed two schools due to the economy and tax revenue being down. (I was one of the layoffs).

    Security costs are ongoing expenses that used to/could be used to educate kids.

    The 100's of 10+ year old cameras DVR's, door locks and radios wear out and have to be replaced. Break in's at the schools are down. If a kid dares to TP something or jump on a roof, they got him. I even saw a slow motion replay of a fence blowing down once.....

    I am sure now districts all around the country will again beef up their security, and hire more police and lay off more maintenance personnel, food service workers, accounts payable staff, purchasing agents and teachers!

    (While I was typing this I got an automated phone call from the Superintendent saying security is his #1 priority and a full review of all polices and procedures has begun).

    If the thousands of school districts and schools around the country now have to revise/improve security again, I don't see why we can't revisit and/or reinstate assault weapons bans!
     
  20. damondlt

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    Never said we couldn't
     
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