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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. Dec 15, 2012 #81 of 501
    James Long

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    Good luck with that ... you'll have better luck melting down every gun in the country or locking up everyone who has ever been suspected of being mentally ill.

    The news have reporting what they know when they know it. Blame the people watching the media who demand all the facts they can get NOW before the dust has settled.
     
  2. Dec 15, 2012 #82 of 501
    trh

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    Actually, I think the State Police said at their 10am press conference that the bushmaster was in the car. So a lot happening and it does take time to process all the data.
     
  3. Dec 15, 2012 #83 of 501
    MysteryMan

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    Remember the Empire State Building shooting? Initially the buffoons at CNN had the shooter using a automatic weapon.
     
  4. Dec 15, 2012 #84 of 501
    RunnerFL

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    Rent-A-Cops, aka Mall and School Security, are far from "trained officials".
     
  5. Dec 15, 2012 #85 of 501
    RunnerFL

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    Yeah, I know. I can hope though...

    That's just it though. They don't know anything within the first 48 to 72 hours, it's all hearsay.

    I'd say it's about a 70/30 split with media being the 70% to blame.
     
  6. Dec 15, 2012 #86 of 501
    SayWhat?

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    Or what they think they know. And if not, they just ad-lib to fill air time.
     
  7. Dec 15, 2012 #87 of 501
    RunnerFL

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    Yup, and the first plane to hit the towers was a "small private plane" too. :(
     
  8. Dec 15, 2012 #88 of 501
    damondlt

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    Again no one said Hire Mall cops. A week end worrior for the national Guard would be more then Quailified.

    Give him a job, put him in plain clothes, spend some of the wasted government money on cameras, salary.

    Not hard to do!

    You guys keep thinking your funny about mall security, but its more then whats watching over your kids at school.
     
  9. Dec 15, 2012 #89 of 501
    RunnerFL

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    Someone did, but you at least did say school security.

    And none would take the job for as little as a Rent-A-Cop makes. Sorry, I'm not getting in the line of fire for minimum wage.

    Clearly harder than you think.
     
  10. Dec 15, 2012 #90 of 501
    James Long

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    They don't have enough security to prevent a determined individual with the right working weaponry.

    What you said:
    "terminater the intruder before entry" sure sounds like "person would be terminated before he entered the building".

    Once all of the facts have come out you will be able to tell us how long it was from the moment that the car parked until when the intruder breached security and then started shooting. And then you can tell us when in that timeline your trained security person would have made their armed response. When the car was parked? When the intrusion occurred? When the first shot rang out? Of course all will be done with 20/20 hindsight. You will even be able to pick the right elementary school to add security to.
     
  11. Dec 15, 2012 #91 of 501
    SayWhat?

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    Ummmm, they work civilian jobs 20+ days each month. Probably as janitors, school teachers, principals, cops, medics, mall rent-a-cops and so on.
     
  12. Dec 15, 2012 #92 of 501
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    As far as places with security and armed/trained people, have we forgotten about the guy who walked into a Detroit police station and opened fire?
     
  13. Dec 15, 2012 #93 of 501
    damondlt

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    You wouldn't need to pay them minimum wage, Pay them accordingly.
    National gaurds men earned their right just as any college grad did to get decent pay.

    And again cops don't make that much. So don't tell me no one would work security for the same pay.

    The only reason it seems hard, is because money is involved, our country spends so much on things we don't need, and then when we need something we can't afford it.
     
  14. Dec 15, 2012 #94 of 501
    damondlt

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    Whats your point, I know a ton of unemployed national gaurds Men who would welcome a job like this.
     
  15. Dec 15, 2012 #95 of 501
    damondlt

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    OK so what, who are they protecting, not 5-10 year olds. They arrest crooks day after day. Thats a givin!
    Thats like claiming a prison shouldn't be violent.
     
  16. Dec 15, 2012 #96 of 501
    James Long

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    damondlt introduced the concept of mall security when he said (and continues to say) that mall security is better than the security at the schools. If we believe what damondlt says, putting mall security in schools would be a step up ... I don't believe what he says.

    I don't see this as a humor thread.

    I live in an area where people lock their doors but are not paranoid about security. My former job required me to do some work inside schools. I have been able to walk into schools without buzzing in. Some wanted me to wear a visitor badge. In the urban schools there was the buzzing in process.

    The schools in this area hire off duty police officers for security. I can't say that none of the mall cops are off-duty officers. In the schools the officers deal with the same types of crime that were present when I was in school - illegal drugs, weapons, fighting, vandalism. Generally internal threats. Occasionally there is an external threat from a former student ... one who was expelled or quit. Very rarely is there a stranger danger. We have more problems locally with the teachers and coaches molesting students than any threat from outsiders.

    Even for the schools in my area that have an armed off-duty officer I wonder if they could have prevented or lessened a shooting like the one in Newton. I am sure they would have done the best they could have done but I am not going to go out on a limb and say that the shooter in Newton could have been stopped at the door.
     
  17. Dec 15, 2012 #97 of 501
    Lord Vader

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    Huh? :confused:

    Obviously, genius, I was referring to those criminals who are arrested and convicted of committing crimes with a gun. A criminal who's dead can't be punished.
     
  18. Dec 15, 2012 #98 of 501
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    Kill him twice.
     
  19. Dec 15, 2012 #99 of 501
    RunnerFL

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    Jobs like that don't "pay accordingly" though.

    I won't debate you on that because you're right. However companies who hire Rent-A-Cops are unwilling to pay them what they are worth.

    You won't find anywhere, other than private personal security, that will pay nearly as much as a police officer is paid. You do realize that most, I say most so don't put words in my mouth, Rent-A-Cops are guys who couldn't get hired by a Police Department right?

    Our country wouldn't be the ones paying them.
     
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    so what was this thread about then genius?
     
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