I'm probably going to be yelled for this. I'm kinda half serious . Maybe a "sticky" or a seprate "venting" or "ranting" thread could be started. I don't mean to discount any of the problems folks are having w/ there HR20's. A seperate thread dedicated to just people that want to vent, rant, or just complain until their hearts content. Keeping it clean of course. That way other members who are "tired" of it can just stay out of that thread knowing what's waiting inside. It's been brought up in passing in the past. Maybe it's time to seriously consider it. I don't mean to be sarcastic or sound belittling. Maybe the mods can decide or for heaven sakes a poll and take a vote. Some may consider this idea a step backwards for this board. In some ways it is. I know that's not what this fourm is about, but it does seem to happen quite a bit lately. Many threads have gone down hill quickly. But what the hey....Pretty soon the mods may have to start stepping up a show of authority. Which is probably the last thing they want to do.