Meredith dispute with Dish (Ended)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by mwdxer, Jul 14, 2016.

  1. tampa8

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

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    There never was a barker channel, this is Meredith not Tribune And I believe I was correct the channels are still there today.
     
  2. Jon J

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    Not for me and the warning banner is gone from 4's home page.
     
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  3. camo

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    I don't seen it anywhere anymore. Either they agreed on contract or agreed to remove from public while being arbitrated.
    Dish is starting to get a black eye publicly when rates are similar to competition who's subscribers aren't being thrown under the bus on every contract renewal.
     
  4. tampa8

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    False premise. I pay $26 less with DISH than I would with Direct, and save even more if I were to have Charter. Proven line by line comparison at the other site. If you want the latest greatest equipment the cost is more comparable ( I still would pay more with Directv starting with a $6 Sports surcharge that DISH does not have) But with VIP equipment the savings can add up.
     
  5. camo

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    I don't see much savings if any. I'm looking at HD content only. http://jameslong.name/hdcount.html
     
  6. inkahauts

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    It's hard to say one is better than the other for everyone. There's really plenty of people that can have exact opposite experiences with ALL the carriers depending on where they live and what equipment and what channels they actually want to have access too...

    So overall the question then is who is reliable? And do many people not perceive dish as reliable? I am sure a few hate their fights but a majority of their fights affect different subs in different areas and not everyone every time too. That's something to remember. For locals anyway.
     
  7. fudpucker

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    This is something I really struggle with. I was with Directv for 14 years then switched to Dish and was with them for about 6 years, then back to Directv for the last couple of years. The ONLY thing that gives me pause in moving back to Dish (I really like the Hopper 3, the Genie just seems to have numerous issues that indicate it is underpowered) are the channel fights and blackouts. I had more of those in my 6 years with Dish than I have had in a total of 16 years with Directv.

    Having moved and now considering moving back, my experience is that the prices (not counting discounts) are very close. I have a package that is about 200 channels, no premiums. Genie plus 2 minis. For Dish it would be a Hopper 3 and two latest gen Joeys. When I compare channels and getting the same channels, total per month pricing (again, not counting any discounts) including all fees, etc. ends up about the same. Of course, moving back to Dish would save me some decent money with the incentive discounts for two years. Although, and it's a crap shoot, I could probably get Directv to come close to matching the cost per month for a year (they tend to do discounts in one year and 6 month increments.)

    That's another difference. If you read the Directv forums, everyone plays the call a CSR and see what kind of discounts you can get lotto. Some people get $5 per month for six months some get $30 per month for a year discounts. People tend to spend a lot of time on tricks and techniques for calling and recalling Directv and doing things like saying "Check Contract Status" at the voice prompt, then negotiating. I didn't really see that for Dish.

    Ultimately, I much preferred the Dish interface and GUI and hardware over the Genie. Dish has one channel in SD that we watch for a couple of series we like that is HD on Directv (TVLand, shows are Younger, Pastor, and one other I think.) Directv has Sunday Ticket but I'm not willing to pay $300 for it (got it for free for the last two years, part of the incentive to move for the first year, last year as part of my calling and negotiating.)

    But to the original point, no, Dish prices head to head are not significantly less as a result of the blackouts Dish subscribers endure. Directv and Dish are forced to stat pretty competitive with each other by the market forces. And even though I vehemently disagree with Congress/FCC allowing people like Tribune to own so many local networks and playing the blackout game and think there need to be laws to prevent it, at the end of the day if my provider can't provide all the stations I watch, especially the big 4 networks, but also any others that we watch and record regularly, then I will switch providers - paying, say, $7 a month less and not being able to watch the channels we like is not an acceptable option. Like 95% of the subscribers out there (remember, people like us who are so into the details of satellite TV that we read and post on enthusiast forums like this are NOT representative of the general public) I just want to turn on my TV and record and watch the shows we like. Period.
     
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  8. mwdxer

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    For a consumer with a single 211k, and looking at the current pricing of packages, it does look like Dish is less than Direct. Seems to me, Dish carries also more off the wall type channels that Direct doesn't, like Get TV, Cozi, FETV, Rural, etc. Dish seems to be more willing to add less unknown channels\, like the OTA diginet fare. Everyone seems to have the same main cable channels, but with Dish, one thing that puts them ahead of Direct are the interesting smaller channels. Being in my 60s, I like watching a lot of the older shows I watched as a kid. Since we live in an area without a ton on OTA TV, Dish adding these channels that offer the classic old shows are a plus for me. Another thing about the smaller channels, there are rarely disputes and we keep them.
     
  9. camo

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    I have to second what fudpucker said on cost being similar. Also agree the Hopper is an excellent unit far and above my much older Hr-24's.
    If Dish had ST it would be a no brainier for me with Sportsman, Outdoor channels being a couple other favorites in HD not offered on Directv.
    Plus Dish has Pac12 Networks and its looking like Directv will never have.

    Even PQ is very similar with my new Sony upscale ability its difficult to tell the difference so makes it even more frustrating when Dish keeps dropping major channels like NFL network/Redzone along with major networks going into NFL season. I would rather pay a little more rather than worry about whats most important to me the NFL season.
    If it wasn't for NFL/College football I would of cut the cord years ago. I can count on 1 finger how many shows other than sports I watch on the major networks.
     
  10. fudpucker

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    When you look at your "average" viewer, the top 4 networks are by far the most viewed in primetime. By far. Example, from a couple of media business sources, last week the total viewers for CBS, NBC, ABC, and Fox - and this is rerun season - were about 7.2 MM, 5.6 MM, 5.0 MM, and 3.8 MM. For "cable" stations, Fox News is by far the most watched in primetime, with about 2.5 MM viewers. Believe it or not, HGTV is the second most watched cable station, at about 1.6 MM primetime last week. Again, this is against mainly reruns on the big 4 networks (though of course there are some summer shows.) The difference gets bigger when you're in non-rerun season.

    Again, I think we are really a very non-representative sampling of viewers. Although I suspect my wife and I are more "average" - we watch and record a LOT of big 4 network shows in addition to "cable" station shows.
     
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  11. camo

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    I'm not the average viewer for sure. The older I've got the less tolerant I've become to commercials. Plus it seems like theirs a lot more these days. This has made normal TV viewing intolerant for me. I spend more time on the mute button and eventually lose interest in the program altogether.
    Yes I know just record the program but I don't even care for the skip forward feature and would rather wait for Netflix version next year commercial free or not watch at all.
    I've even started recording or buffering sports an hour when I can just to avoid commercials best I can.
     
  12. tampa8

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    So with all that, those channels never went dark. In fact as someone posted elsewhere channels rarely are off for long periods if they do go off. Most people think they have and just like this time, may never have actually went dark but will remember it as they did.
    None of you would have even know the contract was close to ending if Meredith didn't start scrolling it and posting it before the negotiations were even over.
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  13. James Long

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    DISH has not reversed the uplink activity (removing the special EPG channels and tying the OTA EPG back to the satellite versions). Perhaps they are waiting for the weekday people to do the work ... but it may be a temporary extension.
     
  14. mwdxer

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    It looks like Dish and Meredith solved the issue(?) as the barker channel is off next to KPTV 12.(13). If the new contract is agreed on, I hope the issue with Tribune can be solved soon too.
     
  15. tampa8

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    And meanwhile DIRECTV has three additional locals blacked out. (Sunbeam)
     
  16. mwdxer

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    Even though Direct has higher prices than Dish, I guess at times they are not willing to pay what the programmer demands either.
     
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  17. tampa8

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    Sunbeam is a very odd run company, about to lose a network affiliate.Long story well covered in articles online. I would not have no doubts DISH could have a blackout with them also.
     
  18. mwdxer

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    I never heard of Sunbeam here in the NW. I see they have stations in Boston & Miami.
     
  19. epokopac

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    I'm wondering if Meredith instructed the affected cities to lower the OTA digital signal strength recently. I was able to pull in 46-1 (CBS Atlanta) right after the channel went into it's outage just fine (signal strength 67).
    Recently, the signal strength is 0 (zero). Nothing changed on MY end.
     
  20. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    WGCL-TV 46 (physical 19) should not be making changes, but WUVG-DT 34 in Athens is moving from physical 48 to physical 18 with a construction permit expiring 9/6. Perhaps they have moved or are testing and are causing interference?
     

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