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Mini Festivus May 4th

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Satelliteracer, Apr 25, 2011.

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  1. JoeTheDragon

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    But there are some road blocks to renameing them to NBC like part owner ship by fox of one. FSN may not there fsn college stuff on a channel called NBC.

    The WGN sports tie ins with CSN Chicago and the Chicago teams.

    Also If VS is being come stronger brand when it comes to sports will lot's of other less stuff get dumped to G4 or SYFY with on of them maybe beinging more of a extreme or other sports channel with MAYBE some NHL play off games that VS does not have the room for.
     
  2. JoeTheDragon

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    Well there may some space saved for the missing / upcoming RSN channels.

    Universal Sports hd was roomed but with the comcast take over the old planes likely have changed.
     
  3. Jeremy W

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    Versus has hockey. That's it. Everything else they have is extremely niche. There is nothing strong about the Versus brand.
     
  4. sigma1914

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    They get a college football game or 2 each week.
     
  5. ChicagoBlue

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    Have any of you guys looked at the obvious? Sure doesn't seem so, but SatRacer was trying to politely tell you. Perhaps it just flew over your heads.

    When DTV adds basic HD channels, what additional revenue do they get from us?

    If you're going to add additional HD channels, wouldn't you be smart to add it to people paying you the most money? Premium subscribers, Premier subscribers, those buying incremental PPV movies? Maybe that's why they keep killing it every quarter with Wall Street by adding subscribers and adding revenue. Seems to me that adding some HBO and Cinemax HD, or Shorts HD (HD Extra Pack) earns them more money and gives value to those spending the most money with DTV. Adding E! or Style, does what for them exactly?

    To take it a step further, look at the companies that do have E!, Style, AMC or what have you? How are they doing? What has DISH done in the last 2 years, had 5 of 8 quarters where they lost subscribers. But how can this be, they have those HD channels. :rolleyes:

    Meanwhile, going back through the quarterly earnings posted on the web, I cannot find a SINGLE QUARTER in the last 10 years where DTV had a net loss of subscribers. Not a SINGLE QUARTER in 40 quarters, while DISH has had 5 in just the last few years. How can this be? :rolleyes:

    DTV is a very smart company. They earn the highest ARPU per subscriber for video services in the country (I'm not talking about video + telco bundle, but video only). They have the most affluent customer base, why shouldn't they take care of those customers that buy those premier services first? It rewards those customers and helps DTV's bottom line. Plus, all DTV has to do is look to see what DISH and these other companies are doing that have added this so called, MUST HAVE HD, and they many of these companies losing their subscribers.

    How can this be? :rolleyes: Some of you really belong with a company like DISH, you really do. DTV is likely going to do what has made them extremely successful. Cut deals that benefit them and not throw some channels up to appease a few cranky folks that ends up resulting in a poor business decision. DTV didn't get to where they are at by being stupid. If you are so disgusted that they are adding premium HD channels before basic HD channels, then you should go to another provider. As miserable as some of you are, what's stopping you?
     
  6. MysteryMan

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    Obviously your not a hockey fan. Try looking at it from a business point of view. There's a strong market and target audience for Versus. Otherwise the renegotiation for the channel would not have gone as quickly when it was dropped.
     
  7. QuickDrop

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    If you go back and read my original post, I'm pretty upfront with having no problem with DirecTV putting up and taking down PPVs for Sunday Ticket.

    What tickets me off is when posters first complained about the abundance of PPV added to D11 the most "in the know" poster on this forum was very ambiguous about how DirecTV could easily take them down for other HD. Most regular posters took this to mean more 24/7 HD were coming. It wasn't until a very diligent poster, Sixto, actually figured out that the PPV additions could only be replaced by part time sports substitutions that it was conceded by posters "in the know" that that was the real case. Even within the past couple days, I've seen one poster confused by this issue, assuming PPVs would be taken down for 24/7 channels.

    That a certain "in the know" poster suddenly again brings out the issue that PPV need to sometimes be replaced by sports programming when that issue was addressed a satellite ago is very confusing.

    For me, honesty goes a long way and DirecTV doesn't seem to want to be honest about how they plan to use their bandwidth until that bandwidth is actually used.

    I know that I can be annoying on this issue, but I base my "annoyance" on what DirecTV advertise and what "in the know" posters have actually said.
     
  8. MysteryMan

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    Good post and I see your point. But what business doesn't use cleverly worded advertising?
     
  9. cypherx

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    Tried Dish... No Line of Sight.
    Ordered the vip922 DVR and the channel lineup was exactly what I wanted and fit my needs. Guy came out, went up on the roof, scouted around, used dishpointer app as well as some scope thing, and determined no LoS. Eastern arc needed in my area for certain channels and there's a blanket of tall trees in that direction. Would of cost thousands of dollars to get rid of the right trees.

    Cable? Ok channel lineup that is exactly what I want. Over 105 HD channels of all the basics you can think of from DIY, to E!, Style, and hell even crap like CSPAN, Reelz and shopping networks. Problem? Crap DVR's. HD Channels on stupid @ss numbers (Ch 500+). Excuse me cable... if I type in channel 3 for our local CBS affiliate, I should see it in HD. No way to hide channels out of the guide. No way to program the DVR from the internet. Just too many software limitations.

    What's left? DirecTV. That's where I stand. Always contemplate switching to Cable but getting a Tivo Premiere or media center solution (that would fix their hardware/software issue), but then there is that DirecTV ETF. Yeah it's been said before that you should just budget $20 a month for it. Well that would be on top of the payment to the cable provider. Every little thing helps, especially when spending over $200 a month for gas.

    If DirecTV beefed up their HD offerings as a whole, I would be ecstatic. I would tell all my friends and family how good it is. Word of mouth means a lot these days, especially with how fast information travels on the internet via blogs, social networking, and all that. Right now some people ask me, oh you have directv, how do you like it? I always tell them the software is good and I like their DVR.. but if I had a better choice for more HD channels, I would go elsewhere. I warn people that they are lacking in many HD channels that our local cable company offers. Warn them about line of sight, rain fade, archaic cell phone type contracts with ETF's, and then when you have a lack of HD on top of it, believe me when I say it... no one ever switched to DirecTV on my word. That's the way it will stay in my book. I hope they improve so I can spread the good word. Until then, that refer a friend program can go suck a you know what.
     
  10. AMike

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    Since NBC has the Olympics and Versus is now part of that family, I would expect that channel to be part of the coverage.
     
  11. Mariah2014

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    We are already seeing the affects of that merger on Versus. The airing of past Kentucky Derby material and the Notre dame Spring Football game just to name two things. However, I don't have any interest in the channel they are adding to the HD Extra pack and feel that this satellite was mainly used for HD ppv or 3D stations. I'm including the sports ppv packages as part of the HD PPV here since sometimes they share the same bandwith. The fact is the channel additions we were looking for were all held off tell the next satellite is up and ready. Even the Tru TV situation is waiting on that satellite before the HD full time station is on Directv. The only things we are seeing added are those things they feel they have no choice to add later than now or they own themselves.
     
  12. Microphone

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    It's all about branding and when NBC finally gets rid of the Versus name and rebrands it like CBS did with CBS College Sports, people all of a sudden won't have trouble "finding it".
     
  13. joed32

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    Good to hear from a stockholder once in a while, it give us a whole different perspective.
     
  14. thelucky1

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    Yeah for many years GM thought the same way. It finally caught up to them too!
     
  15. ChicagoBlue

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    Are you comparing GM to DTV? Unions brought down GM along with poor management. GM's market share had been going down for 30 straight years. Please explain your analogy to me because it makes zero sense.
     
  16. ProgPic

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    For this statement to be true, wouldn't they actually have to add basic HD channels? :nono2:
     
  17. ChicagoBlue

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    On my DTV system I must have 75 to 100 basic HD channels, assuming one counts RSNs as a basic HD channel.

    As a shareholder and someone that subscribes to Premium services, I want more of those HD channels. I pay extra for them. Why should the folks that pay $80 receive more HD channels that adds nothing to DTV's bottom line while I pay more than $130? I should be in line first. You may not like that and perhaps you would be better off with a service like DISH Network because they have the magic sauce, all of this HD, low prices, they must never lose customers, let alone more than half the time per quarter in the last two years. :eek:
     
  18. thelucky1

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    Zero sense come on really? It's not that complicated to understand.
     
  19. ProgPic

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    I think you may have missed the point...

    It's not that premium subscribers get to line up first, it's that non-premium subscribers don't get to line up at all.

    ...and I'm a premium subscriber.
     
  20. thelucky1

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    Ok in simple layman's terms... As a company grows larger and larger, it is very easy to loose sight of your core business and ignore your basic consumer base that made you successful in the first place. Although the company needs to move forward, your basic consumer base is the foundation the company was built on. When the company's focus begins to ignore this base, the foundation will begin to crack. Ignore the base long enough the foundation will crumble as will the company.
    As a business owner and a business consultant, I have seen this happen way to many times. While I am not saying Directv is about to crumble, I am saying history proves as a company grows do not continue to ignore the basic consumers.
    I do believe at this time Directv is much less focused on also keeping the basic consumer happy.
     
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