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Missed 60 minutes, got a recording of farking basketball

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by VHS or Beta, Mar 22, 2009.

  1. Mar 23, 2009 #41 of 111

    murry27409 Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    Standard practice to pad games on YES by at least an hour!!
    Even spring training games (yes i like watching the kids with jersey numbers in the 80's and 90's play) run long...

    As 4 sun nite, major brain fart on my part!! I was watching the bball games. I didn't record them; just let the buffer build up. Never occurred to me 2 pad The Unit.....d'oh!!!
    I did have a pad built into the S/L, but removed it after football.
    Gonna have 2 watch it online or d/l it.
  2. Mar 23, 2009 #42 of 111

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Don't see how........

    Unless they can cover any eventuality, they can't say they have a solution for this. We would start relying on it and bitch and moan whenever it didn't work.

    Given the fluidity of an overtime game - how would they do it over satellite?

    I can remember watching football games for example that were awful games that ran late. You could tell the network just wanted the game to end so they could start their 'prime time'. But because the NFL won't let them leave (contractually) until the last second ticks off, they cannot leave the game.

    However, as soon as the games end, the network runs a few commercials, and then starts their 'prime time' lineup. Maybe 3 or 4 minutes max elapse.

    How could D* control that? Or control thousands of DVR's in 3 or 4 minutes?

    Someone pushing a button? What about all of the other channels showing a live broadcast at the same time? Which one takes priority? And would they control your prioritizer too?

    I don't think so........

  3. Mar 23, 2009 #43 of 111

    sunking Godfather

    Feb 17, 2004
    I guarantee that the number of people bitching is higher today than it would be if something were implemented. Not asking for perfection, just improvement.

    The sat signal carries more than just TV. They can push out anything they want, for example a new firmware, they can enable/disable/reset your receiver if need be. They can certainly send out a single or series of "if recording channel X, pad Y minutes". Are you're saying that thousands of people sitting at home manually padding on their own is more efficient and a better solution then a few people at D* who are in charge of keeping track of such things and sending auto pad commands? How about doing something usefull with my yearly subscription increases. All that I mention is feasible and logical for a service provider to do. I was busy and didnt watch TV all weekend, didn't even realise that basketball was on CBS, and missed one of the few shows I have season passed. I really don't care, its just TV, just saying there is room for improvement in this area and putting the responsibility on the user is a cop out for laziness and lack of innovation.
  4. Mar 23, 2009 #44 of 111

    mhendrixsr AllStar

    Nov 17, 2007
    I'm no expert concerning guide data or what control DTV may or may not have over it. And perhaps mistakenly called it a DVR technology problem. However, it would seem to me that rarely does any network other than CBS have this problem, somebody at the network must be aware that this is (historically) an ongoing problem and could realistically pad their own time slots to maintain scheduling accuracy. Someone at the network is probably awake and could realistically provide "real-time" information so that guide data could be dynamically updated. As others have stated, technology has come all this way, giving us these capabilities and yet we still have to baby-sit the recording process? I would certainly consider accurate guide data/equipment reliability a higher priority to the development team than more games and widgets.
  5. Mar 23, 2009 #45 of 111

    txtommy Icon

    Dec 30, 2006
    a) Sure, that can be done, but it shouldn't be necessary and requires that I set it up weekly.
    b) They can easily schedule filler or just finish off the hour with news and sports talk. Those who have spent the entire day watching the game probably wouldn't complain about a few minutes of replays.
    c) Not having the filler loses me as a customer
    d) It's not a lead-in if customers have switched to another channel.
  6. Mar 23, 2009 #46 of 111

    tvjay Godfather

    Sep 26, 2007
    Actually, there is a technology that if used would work to delay the recordings. It is called PSIP. Stations send it out with their DTV signals. If stations updated it and DirecTV would send it down the satellite signal to the DVR's than the TV station could program the start time to be delayed and everyone would be happy. Since I work at a station I know that there is talk about this and we have done this (24 hours in advance) when we knew the show we were airing was not going to get aired to a special event (winter storms).
  7. Mar 23, 2009 #47 of 111

    dcowboy7 Hall Of Fame

    May 22, 2008
    Pequannock, NJ
    a) u just have to set it up once to record weekly.
    b) cant really show replays in that slot as its contracted to NBC football night in america show so it would just be alot of yakking.
    c) right, some leave but some stay.
    d) even a show about watering boiling would do a great rating following american idol....alot of people just dont switch.
  8. Mar 24, 2009 #48 of 111
    VHS or Beta

    VHS or Beta AllStar

    Feb 22, 2008
    There sure are a lot of apologists for DirecTV pointing out how nothing can be done about this and how the onus should be on the customer to manually deal with it.

    Well that's just weak. It's not a matter of it being technologically impossible, more like a lack of will on DirecTV's part to do it right. They didn't seem to be stumped when it came to finding ways to provide paid video on demand or interactive games. But then maybe they'll put some effort into getting the guide right when they figure out a way to start charging extra for it.
  9. Mar 24, 2009 #49 of 111
    Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Just curios if you're VHS or Beta picked up the show at the right time?

    Fact is, CBS sends the Guide Data to TMS which provides it to DIRECTV. Live programs always mess up regularly scheduled times. If you want to place blame, it goes all the way back to the provider of the data .. which is the network. If you want to solve the problem .. simply make sure that you add extra padding to any show you record on a Sunday night. There are many times during the year in which you will lose programming if you don't make that adjustment.

    Pad your Sunday programs and you'll be much happier.

  10. Mar 24, 2009 #50 of 111
    Ken S

    Ken S RIP

    Feb 12, 2007
    This is one of the reasons you are seeing cable/FIOS providers move to VoD systems with as much current programming as possible. DVRs are never going to be much more than a hack...it'll be much nicer when we can just go to a menu and watch the show we want and not have to worry about padding, network preempts, etc.

    This type of system also works for the networks as it is possible to better measure viewership.
  11. Mar 24, 2009 #51 of 111

    sunking Godfather

    Feb 17, 2004
    Why is everyone going back to directv doesn't control the guide data when it has nothing to do with the issue at hand? The whole point of this is to override the guide data to automatically pad. Directv can certainly monitor whether a show has started on time (either manually or through some sort of automated method), and if it hasn't, send a request to all receivers to pad if its being recorded. I find it hard to believe in this day and age that that information is not available to Directv. They certainly seem to do a pretty good job of adding their own commercials in their slots. there's a lot more to work with than just what you see. Think a little bit outside the box, if we still remember how to do that.
  12. Mar 24, 2009 #52 of 111
    Ken S

    Ken S RIP

    Feb 12, 2007
    There are people assigned to adding the DirecTV commercials in because there is revenue associated with that function. Someone missing a show doesn't make DirecTV any extra income and thus is not going to be high on their priority list.
  13. Mar 24, 2009 #53 of 111

    sunking Godfather

    Feb 17, 2004
    Its called quality of service, which gains customers, which increases revenue. Imagine if for once Directv were able to actually advertise a feature their DVRs had but others didnt, as opposed to the opposite being the general case.

    Show me the love Directv! :lol:

    Honestly, this is a valid complaint. After all, we pay an extra fee for the DVR service. What's wrong with asking that they try to improve it. Or are we a society happy with the status quo and simply slaves to the corporate machine.
  14. Mar 24, 2009 #54 of 111

    MIKE0616 Godfather

    Dec 13, 2006
    Lemmings come more to mind! :lol:
  15. Mar 24, 2009 #55 of 111

    mikek Godfather

    May 17, 2007
    That is what a DVR is for. Game starts at noon if you want it to.

  16. Mar 24, 2009 #56 of 111

    Drucifer Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2009
    NY Hudson...
    Programs needs to broadcast a bar code to smart recorders so that recording can start precisely on time instead using a semi-accurate schedule start time.
  17. Mar 24, 2009 #57 of 111

    trainman Hall Of Fame

    Jan 9, 2008
    Anybody remember about 20 years ago, there was a brand of VCR (Panasonic, I think) that could set recordings using a bar-code reader? For a while, ABC ran the bar codes at the bottom of their ads in TV Guide.

    Not strictly relevant to this thread, just something I was reminded of.
  18. Mar 24, 2009 #58 of 111

    johnp37 Icon

    Sep 14, 2006
    Central NJ
    Excuse me??!! Someone missing a show not high on their priority list?! Then what is the intended purpose of a dvr? Why not just offer HD receivers then?
  19. Mar 24, 2009 #59 of 111
    Ken S

    Ken S RIP

    Feb 12, 2007
    Okay, you're right it's very high on the priority list of items that don't make them additional revenue. Unfortunately, that list comes after all of the items that do make them more money.

    Seriously, this issue has been around since DVRs came out. If a company wanted to come up with a way to fix it they could...it would probably require human monitors watching various shows and making on the fly changes...and might not be 100%.

    As I said earlier there is a technological solution to problems like this...it's called a huge, current video on demand library. It's not something that would be easy for DirecTV to implement...it is something that some landline companies are working on.

    Every technology has benefits and problems. DBS just can't do VoD as well as the cable/fiber guys.
  20. Mar 24, 2009 #60 of 111

    sunking Godfather

    Feb 17, 2004
    I suspect, and it was sort of eluded by a previous poster who seems to be in the industry, that the information may already exist in the programming in one form or another. Anyone who has an LCD with no overscan can see that the closed captioning is interpreted as a separate data stream. Not sure what other information is/could be embedded in there.

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