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Monthly Reimbursement for New Owner Purchased Receivers???

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by flexpackman, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. I WANT MORE

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    You can purchase a Genie (HR44) from a retailer and get monthly credits from D* that more than make up for the cost of the receiver. It does, however, remain leased.
     
  2. peds48

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    This is NOT a guarantee. YMMV
     
  3. joshjr

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    How about if it was cheaper to own a receiver then the up front lease fee for a leased receiver?
     
  4. joshjr

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    Only if you were trying to buy from DirecTV directly.
     
  5. Jacob Braun

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    Which is what I just said. So thank you?


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  6. joshjr

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    You mean you can pay an up front lease fee from a retailer right? To purchase something implies that you own it.
     
  7. joshjr

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    No it's not. Your post is below. You might have been implying it but that is not what you said.

    "And for a genie the best you can hope for is leased without a commitment for $399 with no discounts.
    Still pay all monthly DVR/HD/MRV fees."
     
  8. peds48

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    Then how DirecTV would recoup the cost of the receiver?

    this is would be the same as to be able to buy an iPhone for less then it actually cost while not being subsidized
     
  9. flexpackman

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    Thanks to the Mods for changing the topic....

    The CSR did state that if I purchased a receiver (I mentioned SolidSignal as a source) that $6 a month was all that they were allowed to do now instead of a one time reimbursement. I "assume" that the CSR may have meant that a $6 credit would appear along with the $6 "Additional TV" charge for that receiver.

    This whole thing may have been a new DirecTV issued a "Talking Point" to confuse & confound anyone that requests a receiver reimbursement instead of just saying "NO".

    In any event, as others have pointed out, for the price of an HR44, it would take 5 years for a payback which is ridiculous since some other technology would surely replace it in that time.

    I just took the 24 month re-up....
     
  10. peds48

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    Good choice!
     
  11. adamson

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    There is no good reason to own a receiver. Also if people are so proud to own their receivers...why is it Directv's responsibility to replace a broken receiver? The replacement of one that is owned should be only during the warranty period. In all Directv should get out of the practice of owning equipment and the reimbursement of leased equipment elsewhere. All this confusion in this thread proves what a mess this has all become. OOOHHHHH I own my receiver...big deal as it suits no purpose whatsoever!
     
  12. The Merg

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    There are actually quite a few reasons why someone would want to own a receiver.

    1. You can deactivate it and reactivate it at any time. If the receiver was leased, you'd have to return the receiver to DirecTV as soon as you deactivate it. With an owned receiver, you can keep it and reactivate it when you want. Some people do this for receivers that are in rooms that are used by guests.

    2. You can swap out the internal hard drive with an owned receiver. The Terms of Service/Lease Addendum prohibit the alteration of a leased receiver. WIth an owned receiver, users can swap out the internal hard drive with a larger size, if desired.

    3. Also, the user can make minor repairs to the receiver on their own which would keep them from losing all the recordings they have on their DVR.

    As for people complaining about DirecTV not replacing a broken owned receiver, I didn't get that at all. Most people that own receivers know that if the receiver fails and needs to be replaced (and you don't have the Protection Plan) that the replacement will be a lease and you might need to pay the up-front lease fee. That is why many people that have owned receivers have the Protection Plan as a replacement of a defective receiver then is free and the replacement is listed as owned.


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  13. joshjr

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    I was not referring to the cost from DirecTV being cheaper to own then lease. Almost all of my receivers are owned and I paid less for them then an up front lease would be for each one of them.
     
  14. joshjr

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    I could not disagree more. With my setup, if I needed to switch to Dish tomorrow, it would cost me a fortune to get the 15 tuners I have. Selling the equipment I have from DirecTV would help with those costs not to mention I would not have to worry about a contract either with owned equipment. Also since owned equipment is swapped for owned equipment under the PP, I have had several HR20's replaced for HR24's which just ups the resale value for me. I do not plan on going anywhere but I like having the comfort that my contract is not being extended and that if I shut off 1 receiver, I do not have to send it back. To me, it give me more control of my own account or at least a comforting feeling that they don't own me.
     
  15. JosephB

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    1. For as little as the mirror fee is, this doesn't make a lot of sense. With RVU and Genie, this seems like it would be even less of an issue--just get a TV you can turn on and off, or, an RVU client that you don't have to send back.
    2. DirecTV offers a method for expanding the hard drive capacity. Making exceptions and costing DirecTV money isn't worth a method to let a few people upgrade their hard drives
    3. What minor repairs can you make? There's not a DirecTV DVR parts store you can buy replacement parts for.

    Owning the receiver makes no economic sense at all. If it's the first receiver, you're already getting the $6 waived. If it's an additional receiver the $6 fee, if you can get it waived, isn't going to pay for the box in the useable life. If it's about not being under contract, why would you pay $500+ for a box if you were planning to cancel your service before two years were up? And why would you want to retain ownership of the box after you cancel service? Then you just have a $500 paperweight. I have never, ever seen anyone make the economic argument, without some CSR-credit-extraction wizardry, that owning modern receivers are worth it. It's just time to face it that DirecTV is a different service and different company than it was back in the days you could buy an unsubsidized receiver with a dish at walmart for $100.


    Again, as it has been said many, many times...if you "buy" a receiver from SolidSignal or any other retailer, it is not owned, it is still leased! If they "reimburse" your "purchase price" they are just giving you a free receiver just like they would if you called and had them ship it out to you directly. You will still have to send it back after you cancel service.
     
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  16. joshjr

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    You are wrong. For my 4 owned DVR's, I think I paid $410 for them all combined. Most were HR20's when I started and are now something different. They are not paperwights if you drop the service either. Believe it or not, they are easy to sell. Especially if you have newer models. The prices you are talking about ($500) are only if you purchase the receivers from DirecTV. I dont know very many people that own them that purchased them from DirecTV.

    So I look at it like this, why pay $199 for an up front lease fee when I can pay less then $100 and own it? If that makes more sense to you then more power to you. It don't to me. With channels being able to be dropped at any time, I like the idea of being able to leave if I want to. If my bill get to high, I can drop a receiver and sell it. To each their own.
     
  17. The Merg

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    1. For as little as the mirror fee is, this doesn't make a lot of sense. With RVU and Genie, this seems like it would be even less of an issue--just get a TV you can turn on and off, or, an RVU client that you don't have to send back.
    2. DirecTV offers a method for expanding the hard drive capacity. Making exceptions and costing DirecTV money isn't worth a method to let a few people upgrade their hard drives
    3. What minor repairs can you make? There's not a DirecTV DVR parts store you can buy replacement parts for.

    Owning the receiver makes no economic sense at all. If it's the first receiver, you're already getting the $6 waived. If it's an additional receiver the $6 fee, if you can get it waived, isn't going to pay for the box in the useable life. If it's about not being under contract, why would you pay $500+ for a box if you were planning to cancel your service before two years were up? And why would you want to retain ownership of the box after you cancel service? Then you just have a $500 paperweight. I have never, ever seen anyone make the economic argument, without some CSR-credit-extraction wizardry, that owning modern receivers are worth it. It's just time to face it that DirecTV is a different service and different company than it was back in the days you could buy an unsubsidized receiver with a dish at walmart for $100.



    Again, as it has been said many, many times...if you "buy" a receiver from SolidSignal or any other retailer, it is not owned, it is still leased! If they "reimburse" your "purchase price" they are just giving you a free receiver just like they would if you called and had them ship it out to you directly. You will still have to send it back after you cancel service.


    1. You assume that everyone has a Genie so they can use clients or a RVU TV. Also, the number of RVU TV's is somewhat limited and that would mean the user would have to purchase a new TV most likely. Owned Genies are vary rare. Most of your owned receivers are going to be of the H2x and HR2x line most likely.

    2. The eSATA expansion that is offered now is unsupported by DirecTV (and could feasibly be turned off at any time). Also, many people don't want another electronic device in their media cabinet or have room for one (space, outlet). Also, as you usually want an enclosure with a fan, sometimes it can be too loud for those that want it in their bedroom. I'm not sure how this is costing DirecTV money in letting people own a receiver. The extra expense is really on the customer.

    3. Most failures of DVRs are the hard drive or the power supply. These can be easily replaced in most of the DVRs for little cost. If a drive is failing, you can pull it, clone it to a new drive, and put the new drive back in and you have just saved all of your recordings and SLs. The power supplies can be easily found on the Internet.

    As to retaining ownership of the box after canceling service, who says anyone would do that? At that point, you could sell your receiver as you own it.

    With regard to "buying" one at Solid Signal, I don't think anyone here has said that you would own it then. It has been said many times that purchasing a receiver from a retailer is really just leasing it. The purchase price is the up-front lease fee.


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  18. adamson

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    Replacement of an owned receiver via PP is bad practice. It costs Directv money, and I am sure one can claim its broke just to get something better. There is a lot of "fishy" stories all over the boards and some of us can see whats fishy and from who.

    Furthermore one change I would like to see from Directv is allowing us to deactivate a receiver or a client for that matter for a temporary period. The argument about this subject came up some time ago when I deactivated a H24 without a recovery kit sent with the understanding it was temporary. I was told by a so called Directv employee who post here that was a NO NO...guess what that is BS. And this goes back to the first sentence in this paragraph...what is the real policy? It seems it depends who you are to Directv for it to be allowed.
     
  19. Laxguy

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    Wouldn't that be "Partial upfront lease fee"?
     
  20. adamson

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    And one more thing and I do not care if mods delete it. Like I care about whats owned, not owned etc in ones signature. Your location would be more informative. Really!
     

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