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More global warming happening here

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Richard King, Oct 30, 2008.

  1. Chris Blount

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    This is something we can all agree on! With this sort of thinking we can have our cake and eat it to. Clean up the air first. If man made global warming exists, it goes along for the ride. Of course, we can't control what other countries do but at least we know we have done what we can.
     
  2. phrelin

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    It does seem like we in developed nations need to rethink our approach to consumption and waste, if for no other reason than it is a healthier outlook.

    China, Russia and India are caught in the middle of a transition where the development history of Western European countries and the U.S. is the model. We just need to offer a better model.

    Hopefully over the next century or two those in developing nations will be able to skip over the worst elements of the industrial and technological revolutions to create a world where freedom from want and fear is the norm.
     
  3. Cholly

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    Definitely! I'd also add cleaning up our lakes, rivers and streams, which are being polluted by ferilizers, chemicals and sewage. They are our vital water supplies.
    Anyone who lives in a big city where there is heavy pollution from coal fired power plants, vehicle emissions or industrial emissions can relate to your top priority. It's of top importance whether you believe in Global Warming or not.
     
  4. djlong

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    I've long said that the energy problems in this country shouldn't be phrased in a "do something about glabal warming" context - that it should be in a "do something about national security" context.

    We should be moving to the electric/hydrogen economy - and using solar, wind, tidal and nuclear plants to generate that electricity for one OVERWHELMING reason that nobody can argue with. MONEY - and the fact that we give so much of ours to people that want to kill us.

    This should be at practically a "National Emergency" level of concern. But, instead, we get arguments over whether or not cow farts are more damaging than a smokestack.
     
  5. FogCutter

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    Bravo!

    That's why I have 2 hybrids, geothermal heat and hot water, and I work at home. Global climate change will chug along with or without mankind, can't change that.

    But if we are smart about it we can have quality lives, a robust economy, and use way less resources. Things get messed up when politics get involved.

    My climate head friends look worried. They have become screechingly silent. Even as the media ignores the story their intellectual honesty is making them pay attention.
     
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    Lord Vader

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    This lady's an idiot.

    I feel sorry for you Californians.

    Instead of getting to the bottom of the lies, distortions, and manipulation by the global warming alarmists/BS artists, she thinks the real crime is the Emails getting leaked.

    Kinda missing the point there, eh Senator? :rolleyes:
     
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    SayWhat?

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    In the meantime, there are Winter Storm Watches posted for parts of the Gulf Coast with freezing temperatures and snow likely.
     
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    smiddy

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    Think snow!

    I was thinking it was colder this season.
     
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    phrelin

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    Babs is pretty invested in her point of view. But odds are, she'll win reelection next year, as will "Governor Moonbeam" replace "The Gubernator". Yes indeed, we here live on the huge set of a fantasy series.:sure:
     
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    FogCutter

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    God help you.
    God help us all.
     
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    wilbur_the_goose

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    One therory goes that initial warming will result in much colder areas while the rest of the world (esp. the poles) will warm.

    Here goes..
    1. Warming will cause polar ice caps to partially melt.
    2. This newly melted water is all fresh water. This water will reduce salinity of oceans, especially the N Atlantic if Greenland's ice melts.
    3. The reduced salinity will cause a significant change in the Gulf Stream.
    4. This change will result in a frigid Ireland/England/Scotland/France/ and a cooler eastern US and Canada.
    5. Meanwhile, the polar regions continue to warm.

    It makes sense to me...
     
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    dbconsultant

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    +1
     
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    Stuart Sweet

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    As a Californian, I'd be much happier if we all just took ourselves more seriously.
     
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    Chris Blount

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    While it sounds like a good theory, that's all it really is. The polar ice caps back in 1985 were not as melted as they are now but yet it stilled snowed 13" down here in south Texas.
     
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    Stuart Sweet

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    Sadly, the only fact is that it is impossible for an organism with a lifespan of ~75 years, and a recorded history of less than 5,000 years, to know with any certainty what will happen in our global climate system. We have to rely on what information we have, along with both common sense and a sense of stewardship that encourages us to tread lightly and preserve nature.

    Also, as difficult as it may be, we have to encourage our fellow men and women to join together for the common good instead of rewarding selfishness. We can only hope that shortsightedness is not our fatal flaw.
     
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    Chris Blount

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    Stewart Vernon

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    What I hope does NOT come from this... is people not wanting to do real things of value to preserving our environment.

    I am afraid we might see increasing pollution or wastefulness or lack of conserving energy OR searching for alternative fuel sources a backlash from this "scandal" being uncovered.

    I hope people will have the good sense to still want to do good things even if they are unrelated to the "global warming" media circus.
     
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    FogCutter

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    Wilbur,
    That theory is part of one of my favorites -- in the past it has been invoked to explain the periodicity of glacial periods. One belief is that for a glacial advance we need 1) cooler Northern Hemisphere and 2) an ice free Polar Sea.

    This one gives us both. The Polar Sea feeds moisture to the glacier building regions to the south. Eventually the ice builds enough to re-cover the Polar Sea, cutting off the moisture and the glaciers recede from the south to the north until the sea opens again and the cycle continues.

    One of many theories, but this one dates back to the 1970s (I believe) before everything got so political.

    And it must might could be correct, dang it.

    Anyway, I like it because it seems to fit what's happened over the last 3 million years or so. Sure, it may not be causal, merely coincident, but hey, it's something to think about.
     
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    barryb

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    Words of wisdom Mr. Shadow, and my thoughts exactly.
     

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