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More global warming happening here

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Richard King, Oct 30, 2008.

  1. Dec 4, 2009 #161 of 246
    leww37334

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    Has this theory been espoused by the UN IPCC? I have never heard of it being mentioned in the initial studies. Or is it simply an after the fact hypothesis to explain the current cooling trend while trying to hang onto the global warming hypothesis

    PS looks like global warming is making the seas more salty

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/oct/27/climate-change-water
     
  2. Dec 4, 2009 #162 of 246
    FogCutter

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    Dare we dream such things? I'm afraid our built in sense of altruism is trumped by our hardwired instinct for self preservation -- which is another way of looking at greed.

    Something to work toward for sure.
     
  3. Dec 4, 2009 #163 of 246
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    he he.

    ass pots. finally!



    (read the link)
     
  4. Dec 5, 2009 #164 of 246
    Rich

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    Oh yeah. If the arctic ice cap melts too much, fresh water will change the course of the Gulf Stream and Europe will go into a mini-ice age. This is nothing new, it's been well known for many years. Take a look at England and where it is in relation to NYC. By all logical thinking it should be much colder and yet it's not and that's because of the Gulf Stream. The Gulf Stream isn't unique, warm water "conveyors" run along most continents and in every ocean.

    Anybody ever been in the Gulf Stream? Really neat place to be. You go from cold water to warm water so fast it's unbelievable and you can actually see it because of the color difference in the ocean. Quite a pleasant ride.

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  5. Dec 5, 2009 #165 of 246
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    And vice versa. In colonial times, the Gulf Stream was unknown, so the pilgrims were expecting the climate in Massachusetts to be similar to the climate at the same latitude in Europe - Spain or Portugal. When the first winter hit, they were unprepared. It wasn't that the winter was particularly cold or harsh, they just weren't expecting it.
     
  6. Dec 5, 2009 #166 of 246
    Rich

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    The only way people are gonna get conditioned to "going Green" is by it being cheaper. Everybody uses the small fluorescent light bulbs now because they are obviously cheaper to run and last a lot longer. What we really need is cheaper solar cells. I've seen roofing material that contains solar cells, but they're really expensive compared to plain shingles. Get the price down and you can run your water heater and feed electricity back into the grid.

    NJ is getting ready to start putting windmills out in the ocean off the coast and that will save a lot of money. NYC is talking about putting those same kind of windmills on top of buildings. The savings would be enormous. But so is the cost of installation. And therein lies the rub.

    Look at all the Toyota Prius cars on the road. If they cost $50,000 dollars apiece no one would buy one. I have a friend who has had one for six years. He owns a car and truck repair shop. He had to put one battery in and change the tires and has 90,000 miles on that car. I think he paid a little over $20,000 for it. Pretty trouble free car, no?

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  7. Dec 5, 2009 #167 of 246
    Rich

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    That's the point where the Gulf Stream starts to head towards Europe and veers away from the coast. Living in NJ, the thought of the Gulf Stream changing in any way scares hell out of me. You've made a fine and interesting point.

    Rich
     
  8. Dec 5, 2009 #168 of 246
    Richard King

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    I am a firm denier of "man made global warming", feeling that the ONLY reason that the theory exists is to continue pumping money to those who "study" it. That has no bearing whatsoever on whether (weather?) I want a clean environment. Promoting a clean environment is a great way to save some $$$ in the long run (and the short run). I own two houses here within 8 blocks of each other (wanna buy a house?). Both are similar in size. The house that I live in has an old central AC system (I have no clue as to Seasonal Energy Efficiency Rating) and VERY little insulation in the attic. I keep the thermostat at this house set at 82 degrees. I have no pool, no irrigation system. I have TWO standard hot water heaters (a 40 gallon and a 30 gallon), one at each end of the house. The other house has a thermostat set at 77 degrees at all times (much more comfortable). The new AC unit there is rated a 16 SEER (current code requires 13 SEER, so I am over 20% more efficient than required). I have Icynene sprayed in foam insulation in the attic over the house and the garage. ALL attic vents are sealed as is standard practice with this kind of insulation. I have a whole house tank-less hot water heater (one). I have radiant insulation barriers (paper backed foil) in the outside walls. I have new double pane insulated windows throughout. I cook lunch at the "new" house on a daily basis. The "new" house has a swimming pool with a pump that runs 5 hours a day and an irrigation pump that runs about 1.5 hours a day (4 zones x 20 minutes per). I spend about 4 hours a day at the "new" house with lights on throughout. The electric bill at the old house for the month of mid June to Mid July was $406. The electric bill at the "new" house for the same period was $184. Subsequent bills have been on a very similar ratio. THAT is reason enough to "go green" for me. When the "new" house is sold I will be making some radical changes to the old house.
     
  9. Dec 5, 2009 #169 of 246
    Rich

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    That's exactly my point: Money Matters.

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  10. Dec 5, 2009 #170 of 246
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    Well, thank God for "Global Warming," Rich! Houston's getting their first taste of it this weekend, where yesterday they received their earliest snowfall ever! In fact, some parts of their northern suburbs, where my brother lives, got from 2 to 6 inches of the white stuff. Meanwhile, here in Chicago we have yet to see our first accumulated snow of the season.


    Note: This is a classic sign of an El Nino winter. The south, southwest and west coast experience colder and wetter conditions. Meanwhile, the Midwest experiences a warmer and drier winter and spring--works for me!

    You watch: El Nino is a regularly occurring, natural event where the equatorial Pacific warms more than normal. How much you want to bet the GW alarmists will say this is evidence of, you guessed it, "Global Warming." :rolleyes:
     
  11. Dec 6, 2009 #171 of 246
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    The Climate Heads are loudly ignoring the scandal. The political equivalent of plugging their ears and saying "Na Na Na".
     
  12. Dec 6, 2009 #172 of 246
    Lord Vader

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    Perhaps they're all down in Houston covered in snow and too frozen to comment. :D
     
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    Proof that God has a sense of humor:


    • In the midst of the stupid "Global Warming" talks in Copenhagen, that city ironically experiences a blizzard and record snowfall and is now predicted to have its first white Christmas in years. Note: they had only 7 White Christmases in the entire 20th century.
    • As the president heads back to Washington after delivering an unnecessary speech about GW, our nation's capital is experiencing a snowstorm that is predicted to dump more snow in one blow than that city normally receives in an entire winter!
    "Global Warming"--not.
     
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  15. FogCutter

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    Maybe we're on the wrong side of GW.

    Al Gore was worth $2M USD when he left office. After 9 years of stumping for GW, he's well into 9 figures and it's believed that if Cap and Trade becomes law he'll become a billionaire.

    Not bad for a guy who flunked out of school twice.
     
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    In the spirit of the holidays, I think this is quite appropriate to share.
     
  17. Grentz

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    For about the 10 billionth time. Global Warming is more accurately global climate change. It makes some areas warmer, and some COLDER.

    Saying it is record cold in such and such a place is actually just confirming it....


    Note: I am not saying I am for or against it with this post, I am just explaining what it actually is.
     
  18. Herdfan

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    So why don't they call it Global Cooling?
     
  19. phrelin

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    "They" refers to those employed by the sensationalist sound bite news media and the people who seek their 15 hours of fame by being on that news media becoming a talking head.

    Those who remain in the background plodding along doing their scientific work ignoring the institutional politics of universities and avoiding the media like the plague that it is call it "Climate Change."

    Some of those plodders indicate that the Pacific Northwest is likely to become wetter and cooler while the American Southwest is likely to become warmer and dryer. The "serious problem areas" are places generally out of sight from the average 1st world resident, like the poles and the Himalayan mountains.

    Even the institutionalized organization established in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) is called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
     
  20. Cholly

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    Perhaps you think it amusing and in concert with your own opinion, but it's not factual. Al Gore had nothing to do with the failure of the big 3 automakers, the recession, etc.
    Interestingly, on the same YouTube page are links to National Geographic videos talking about global Cimate Change (aka Global Warming).
     

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