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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by kram, May 24, 2009.

  1. LarryFlowers

    LarryFlowers New Member

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    If you bypassed your Pioneer AND your TV then worked fine for PPV, then it is definitely the fault of the Pioneer unit. As my friend at the Home Theater company put it... the audio guys just don't seem to get it right no matter how expensive. They all claim to be HDCP compliant... but they just don't seem to work.

    A monoprice.com product like this one http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=4066&seq=1&format=2

    would allow you to use HDMI cables to connect your equipment to the switch and then one HDMI cable to the TV, The switch is remote controlled and you would have to match the switch to the number of pieces of equipment you have.

    How you would handle the audio would depend on your TV but obviously you can use the audio outputs from the various pieces of hardware and go directly to the Pioneer to handle the sound.

    All PPV is NOT 1080P... not even close, so that is not the issue. Most of PPV is still 1080i.
     
  2. kram

    kram Godfather

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    So, how would the switch help if, in fact, the Pioneer was not HDCP compliant? Currently, my system is configured like this:

    HDMI from TV to Pioneer --> HDMI from Pioneer to HD-DVR --> Optical audio from Pioneer to HD-DVR --> Components and optical audio from Pioneer to DVD
     
  3. dorfd1

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    If you record a HDMI source you are actualy saving a copy of the digital stream.

    HDCP is there to also prevent recording.

    Directv's DVR'S don't record the channel they capture and save the digital data stream to the hard drive.
     
  4. CCarncross

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    I'm sure not the answer you want to hear but if you bypassed the Pioneer and the PPV work fine then it is obvious the problem is your Pioneer. I use a Denon A/V receiver with HDMI inputs/output to my Sony tv and it works perfect every time...Until you have more HDMI devices why not just run HDMI to the tv and use optical to the Pioneer, the sound will be absolutely identical and the picture could potentially be better by bypassing the intermediate connnection and its internal circuitry.
     
  5. LarryFlowers

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    Running the HDMI directly to the TV or to the switch if you need it would keep the Pioneer from interfering with the HDCP. You can still run the optical audio from the HD DVR to the Pioneer.

     
  6. Lee L

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    Larry is basically saying to use the switch he is linking instead of the Pioneer. Just take the pioneer out of the loop as a HDMI switch.

    So, for you DVR , you will have optical running to the Pioneer, just like now and the HDMI running to the switch. Then the switch runs to the TV instead of from teh Pio.

    Most of these switches have the ability to auto switch or learn a command from your remote. So, you can just teach it the current Pioneer remote code that you use right now to select the DVR input and it will work just like it does now remote-wise.
     
  7. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    You don't even need the switch.

    Why are you running both HDMI and optical from your DVR to the Pioneer?

    Here's how you should set things up:

    HD-DVR --- HDMI ---TV
    HD-DVR --- optical -- Pioneer

    Now, does your DVD player have HDMI out and does your TV have another HDMI in. If so, configure the DVD player like that also

    DVD --- HDMI --- TV
    DVD --- optical -- Pioneer.

    You won't need to buy any more cables (or equipment) and you'll have one less cable in the chain (no need for the component cable). If your DVD player doesn't have HDMI out, but your TV has component in, then just replace the HDMI in the DVD -- TV connection with the component.

    Unless your receiver is exceptionally good at upconverting, the only reason to use HDMI to it is to take advantage of lossless audio that's only found on Blu Ray (I'm assuming when you wrote DVD, you didn't mean Blu Ray).
     
  8. kram

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    So, then, would the configuration be this?:

    HDMI from TV to HD-DVR --> HDMI from HD-DVR to Pioneer --> optical audio from Pioneer to HD-DVR (with the other equioment the same)

    Thanks.
     
  9. LarryFlowers

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    NO...

    No HDMI Cables go to your Pioneer Audio Receiver

    Only Audi Cables go to your Pioneer Audio Receiver

    HDMI Cables ONLY go directly to the TV

    Larry

     
  10. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    Umm, I posted the connections directly above your post.
     
  11. CCarncross

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    They got you covered, HDMI from your DVR directly to tv. Optical from DVR to A/V receiver. The HD DVR only has one HDMI output, your scenario above would require your DVR to have 2 HDMI outputs.
     
  12. sdirv

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    Unless his Pioneer has some issues switching, why use the opticals at all??

    Why wouldn't he run

    1. One HDMI cable from the HDMI output of the HD-DVR to the HDMI input of the Pioneer unit.

    2. One HDMI cable from the HDMI output of the DVD player (if it's got one, probably does if it upconverts to 1080p) to the HDMI input of the Pioneer unit.

    And then

    3. One HDMI cable from the HDMI output of the Pioneer to the input of TV.

    The Pioneer unit would handle all the switching and deal with the audio without the use of optical cables at all.....(at least my Sony does :))
     
  13. LarryFlowers

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    Start at post #1 and read the thread... the problem is the Pioneer Audio Receiver is interfering with HDCP... the idea is to cut the Pioneer out of the loop!

    Larry


     
  14. CCarncross

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    That's the whole gist of this thread, his Pioneer appears to have problems with correctly handling HDCP from the HD DVR.
     
  15. sdirv

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    I've been reading this thread since it started........and although an assumption has been made that his Pioneer receiver is the problem, OEM has claimed it shouldn't be (and they're always right, right?? :lol:).

    In post #17, I showed that I was getting the same "problem" message with my system and why. Had nada to do with my Sony receiver's ability to switch or handle HDCP. Turn of a knob on my system and the "problem" message went away. Taking my receiver out of the system would have cleared the problem up too, but wouldn't have been the solution.......

    The problem exists apparently for him though, and I raised an eyebrow when I saw him explain how he had his system configured/wired. Just seemed rather convoluted to me so I suggested a simpler configuration as a start to figuring this out.
     
  16. kram

    kram Godfather

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    What was your "turn of a knob"???
     
  17. sdirv

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    When I turned the "input selector" knob from DVD back to Sat/TV.....

    That's why I always check pretty carefully "where I am", and how I've got things hooked up BEFORE I start pulling equipment out of the system, etc.

    As I said in post #17......

    When I got the message you did.......my HD-DVR was sending signal over s-video to my DVD recorder, then the DVD recorder was upconverting the signal back to 1080P over the HDMI cable running from it to my surround receiver.

    The surround receiver has an HDMI cable running from it to the TV.

    When I switched the knob back to SAT/TV....the signal went from the HD-DVR (via HDMI) to my receiver and then to the TV (via HDMI)....everything worked fine.

    AND......

    I was still able to record the program from my HD-DVR to the DVD recorder (over the s-video) just fine.

    I'm not saying that your Pioneer receiver isn't/can't be the problem....I'd just suggest checking lots of other things first.
     

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