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More Wal-Mart stupidity

Discussion in 'The OT' started by RichW, Dec 7, 2005.

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  1. Ray_Clum

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    So's the SuperTarget up on 116th in Fishers, but the Castleton one reminds me of a run down Dollar General Store...
     
  2. Bogy

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    So Delphi, which Target do you work in? :lol:
    You're are new here, so let me introduce myself. I am a minister. When I moved to Missouri the small town in which I served had one of the very early Wal-Marts. One of the very first Super Wal-Marts had been built 55 miles to my west, and another had just been finished 35 miles northeast of me. A number of the members of my church were employed in the local Wal-Mart. I don't remember that any of them looked particularly like ex-cons. Neither do most of the 15 people who live in my current community in Iowa who drive 11 miles to work in the one nearest us, including once again a number of my church members, including a "retired" store manager who still works the floor.

    Wal-mart started out in small towns across Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, and other relatively rural states. They built their base and established themselves in communities that few others were all that interested in serving. Yes, some other stores went out of business. Montgomery Wards and small JC Penny and Sears stores were hanging on by their fingertips, and Wal-Mart was just one of the deciding factors. Ben Franklins used to be a mainstay is those small towns, and I don't know that any of them are left today. However, if you think Wal-Marts are junky and disorganized you were never in a BF. If you don't even know what they were, they were a 5&10 store. You might not know what those were either. :lol: A lot of this and that, but tending toward cheap stuff for the kids, and dry goods for the wife. (yes, I know that is sexist, but that was the market in their heyday.) Basically, by the time Wal-Mart came along, the small town lucky enough to have ever had a department store like MW, JCP, or Sears, didn't have them anymore. They were left with the mom & pops. (BTW, Target never served little places like them.) Now mom & pops can could do pretty good for mom & pop, but not so great for anybody who worked for them. I worked for mom & pop, and they were mostly concerned about mom & pop. Now WM did something that most mom & pops never even considered. They made their employers owners. mom & pop might sell the business to an employee if the kids didn't want it, but mom & pop were figuring on retiring on the proceeds of the sale of the store. WM's employees got stock. The price of that stock was prominently posted. The employees knew they were going to directly benefit from how well they did. And they did well. Some of those early employees may not have gotten paid all that much on an hourly basis, but they are now millionaires. Mom & pop didn't usually provide health insurance or even a minimum wage to their employees. They didn't have to. They didn't have enough employees to be required to do things like that.

    I've been in Targets that looked like they were going out of business, with limited stock, dirty and dim. The SuperTarget I lived near recently was very nice, and we did a lot of shopping there. We also did a lot of shopping at the Wal-Mart, but they are in the process of building a SuperWM and are letting a lot of maintenance slide. Individual stores can vary quite a bit.

    When I was in that small town in Missouri, while WM sold tires, there were still two tire stores doing all the business they could handle. I talked with the owner of a pet shop in the community with the SuperWM, and he said that they had been good for his business. Like the bike shop that djlong used in his illustration, he didn't sell starter aquariums anymore, but when people got tired of an air pump that sounded like a jackhammer they came to him to see what he had that would be better. From that he built a customer base of people that decided they liked their aquarium and wanted more and better equipment and more exotic fish.
     
  3. djlong

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    Wal Mart and Sams have been in my town for something under 15 years. Everyone screams about Wal Mart but we have Target, Macys, Filenes, Sears, Costco, BJ's, Marshalls, Old Navy and others that I'm forgetting all within 5 miles.

    Now, BestBuy, on the other hand, drove away Highland, Lechmere and Computer City. CompUSA and Circuit City only live on their holiday sales (they don't have NEAR the traffic that BestBuy does). The funny part? The local PC store does a bang-up business and just opened another branch (Showtime PC in Hudson).
     
  4. Mark Holtz

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    If I recall correctly, CompUSA purchased Computer City from Tandy in 1998, and Good Guys in 2003. Recently, Good Guys was shut down. I don't see how Sam's Club/Wal Mart/Best Buy had any effect on those acquisitions.
     
  5. waydwolf

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    With regard to Lechmere, I know for a fact that NO ONE drove them away from anywhere. They were one of the least competently run chains in history in retail, up there with Ames, Zayre, Caldor, and Bradlees. I worked all of the above including Lechemere. All of them put themselves out of business. Not WalMart or anyone else.

    CompUSA is also incompetently run, having two stores in my state and neither one has a staff worth two cents and I never ever ever allow them to recommend anything, even point blank telling the store manager at one if any of his red shirted teen goons comes near me I will stuff them into their khakis, tie the legs to anything overhead I can find, and use them as a speed punching bag. They leave me alone, and I spend money there as long as they do. I've had a long history of that place screwing me on everything they could.

    Circuit Sh*tty is also run by two-bit twits who deserve to be beaten with the claw side of a rusty hammer and rolled in rock salt and battery acid. I've actually listened dumbfounded as one of their sales drones straight facedly told a couple that Fast Ethernet is a thousand megabytes per second and that their selection of cable modems worked at that speed.

    Sears is another wonderful group of ninnyhammers. I've had them deny to me that Dish Network has any porn channels, tell me that it carries one hundred music video channels, and that every channel on it can also be seen in high definition. They also have told me that their driers can completely remove all water from a silk blouse in two minutes without damage.

    And for all the talk that WalMart puts mom and pop shops out of business, horsesh*t. The mom and pops here are bodegas with owners who are illiterate in two languages minimum including their own native tongue, dollar stores run by people who will brazenly attempt to keep receipts with your full atm card number on it, and discount stores that have items on their shelves that weren't sold when they were put out in 1974 and still haven't to this day. I kid you not. We have a discount hardware store that has cleaners that stopped being sold before 1983 on the shelves.

    At the same time that WalMart came in, K-Mart shot themselves in the foot, and not content with this, shot themselves in the arse.

    Kohl's moved in and they still manage to stick around despite pricing their items a good 10-20% above WalMart and sell essentially exactly the same thing. Then they hold sales of 10%-20% off.

    Target moved in and the place seems like a cross between WalMart and some half-remembered unused idea of Simon Pegg's for Shaun of the Dead. It is beyond creepy in there. And red. You cannot forget the egregious abuse of the color red. It hardly needs to be cleaned because it hardly has any customers. The prices are higher than any store so badly laid out, decorated, and staffed should ever be and the staff is largely composed of, as far as I can tell, reanimated corpeses of young people.

    Our mall meanwhile has Dick's Sporting Goods which seems to be as out of place as a Mensa button on an MTV TRL VJ. We also have a Best Buy which is evidently giving drugs to their employees to make them somehow tolerate wearing the most wussy yellow shirt outfits without committing suicide in shame and sound happier to see you than your average pet dog humping your leg. Down kid! I'm just here to do price research on routers!

    WalMart: never bother me, never ask to assist me, they wait till I grab them and tell them what I need, and leave everything where it was since they built the place without playing musical plan-o-grams every fifty-eight seconds, don't assault me with cheeriness, have decent prices, and have never tried ripping me off ever. Every return has been simple and quick, same with the refunds. Only one problems: they hire people who think slower than a pocket calculator to run the registers.
     
  6. Bogy

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    Oh yeah, wolf reminded me of what I forgot in my previous post. The one thing I have yet to find near me in my new area is a good computer parts supply store. Best buy isn't that far away, but what I miss from Omaha is that I had a CompUSA nearby and two locations of DIT, with all the cables, etc. that you need when you DON'T want to let the GEEKs have your computer. I don't NEED someone else to put a card, hard drive or anything else on my computers. I just need the parts and connectors. I can order parts online, but sometimes you just need a cable or connector, and you don't want to wait. At one time Best Buy had a nice supply of these things. Now, if you want much beyond a USB cable you're out of luck. Several months ago all I wanted was a power cable splitter, preferably with a 3 pin fan connector as well. Best Buy didn't have this exotic cable. Neither did Radio Shack, where the young clerk didn't have a clue what I was talking about. At least the guy in BB knew what I was talking about, but they didn't have it. I told him that Wal-Mart had a better supply of cables than he did, but they don't seem to carry them anymore either. :(
     
  7. Steve Mehs

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    I’ve never understood the controversially WalMart brings on. I’ve gone there almost every week to shop for years and I will continue to do so. I buy all of my clothes their except for pants which I get from Target. I get sneaker/boots that I can only find at WalMart for $20 that are more comfortable then $90 Nikes and are pretty damn good at keeping my feet dry at work. That will be the day I ever spend over $30 on a pair of sneakers that no matter how hard you try will eventually get dirty. I wear clothes for comfort not to make a statement with a label. Only clothing I don’t get at WalMart is Tennessee Titans gear with I get at some store in the mall during end of season sales.

    If I can get the samething cheaper from one place then another I’ll do it. I saved nearly $50 by getting my Linksys Wireless Networking gear at WalMart then anywhere else. Lets see go to CompUSA and get the 7dbi high gain antennas for $70 or under $50 a WalMart, tough choice…

    I don’t know about other areas, but in the past year the Buffalo area has brought in numerous Lowes and Kohls stores, last year this time we had 0 of those two stores now we have 7 combined. One of the WalMarts was converted into a Super WalMart, Bed, Bath and Beyond has a few new area locations, there a new Fuderuckers and quite a few of our Tops supermarkets are being knocked down and being rebuilt and reopened as a more cutting edge supermarket under the name of Martins.

    And besides, not many other stores realize not every one can shop from 9AM-10PM. With most if not all WalMarts in the area being open 24/7, it gives me an opportunity to shop. When some lame mom and pop shop has comparable prices AND is open for my convenience at 2 or 3 in the morning let me know. I don’t eat at many local restaurants either. It’s either Denny’s or 24 hour drive thrus, if you don’t respect that I don’t live in a 9-5 world then I don’t respect your piss poor business decision not be open all night. Especially in the food industry, in the city pizza joints are open to 4 or 5 AM, good luck finding that in the suburbs. They’re also forgetting that second shift and third shift workers usually make a considerable amount of money doing the same job as day shift workers and, thus more disposable income.
     
  8. bobsupra

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    Wolf...that was a funny post. You should be a writer for a stand-up comic.
     
  9. pjmrt

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    I think you're right about Computer City - and its a real shame that they were acquired by CompUSA. I liked Computer City, they had better selection and prices as I recall - than CompUSA. But CompUSA has a reputation of finding ways to cheat people out of the rebates they use to lure people to their stores and not stocking sale items they claim. I have had both happen to me at CompUSA and will no longer shop there unless I really cannot find the item elsewhere and don't want to wait the extra time for online/mail order.
     
  10. ntexasdude

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    Myt sentiments exactly. Why don't you just tell us how you really feel and quit pulling punches?:D :D

    I think the bottom line is this.......Wal-Mart gives people what they want, otherwise they wouldn't be the world's largest retailer..
     
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    Exactly - market forces work! If the store is poorly organized or dirty, people will shop elsewhere. WalMart gives people good value, good prices, and good variety. So does other successful stores, Target, et.al. WalMart has the luxury of having done it first and establishing themselves - first with the basic WalMart concept, later with the Super WalMart concept where one can get the fixings for the evening meal at a good price, then get the TV and DVDs for the after meal entertainment. About their only shortcoming is that they don't also sell Dish Equipment. But then maybe that's not up to their standards. :lol: (kidding - I own Dish stuff and despite the bugs, still prefer it overall to cable and D*)
     
  12. djlong

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    Wolf - don't mince words, tell us how you REALLY feel!
     
  13. Cholly

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    My late wife loved Target because it was uncrowded and had wide aisles. No lines at the few open checkouts.
    She didn't like to shop at Wal-Mart often, because it was so big and busy. Even though they had 20 open checkout lanes, there were still lines.
    Yes, Target DOES have some items that are of better quality, and that's one reason people shop there. OTOH, prices for the SAME item are generally higher, and their return policy is very restrictive.
    I've been in Target and Wal-Mart stores that are ill kempt, but in my experience it's the exception rather than the rule. If you are in an area where all Wal-Mart stores are ill maintained, it may be a sign of the overall decline of the area. If other stores in the area are bright and clean, then perhaps the district manager should have his/her feet held to the fire.
     
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    I think that’s what it’s all about. What’s the general area like, what’s the typical demographic and other factors. Here in the immediate Buffalo area we have 4 area WalMarts in the country, all four WalMarts are also located near our 4 malls, 4 Home Depots. The best (cleanest, brightest, yada yada) happen to be located in the wealthiest and third wealthiest townships in the entire Western NY region. The crappiest WalMart in the area (and the worst one I’ve ever been to) is located very close to the city. It’s dubbed the ‘Ghetto Walmart’ when you say something like ‘Guess what I saw at the Ghetto WalMart today’ there isn’t a single person in this area who doesn’t get it.

    You get people from all walks of life and I’ve seen things that I have went to store security about. A few miles away is our areas biggest mall and a lot of other great places, but it just seems that WalMart is the border. It’s also the only WalMart in the area that has bouncers at the door during the Christmas shopping season like warehouse clubs have year round to make sure what’s in your cart is on your receipt. I haven’t been to that store in about a year now, but as of 2004 they still had the DVDs 1) locked behind glass doors and 2) had dummy boxes to take to the register to get the real movie. That right there to me speaks volumes, that stopped happening in at least 2000. I honestly would never go to that location on my own free will, and if I did I’d go with at least one other person, one to stay in the car and make sure that doesn’t drive off by itself.

    Just the aura of the Ghetto WalMart is wacked out. Never forget the time I saw a lady lose her car in the parking lot and she went from car to car seeing if her key opened every car, or the time I was walking into the store and some lady stopped, rolled down her window, looked at me and started yelling ‘Mikey, Mikey, how are ya, Mikey come back here’ as I continued to walk towards the store. I also made a point to carry my wallet, cell phone, keys and whatever else in a central pocket and have nothing visible that would indicate I am of a higher life form then the rest of the hoodlooms in the store so I won’t be mugged or whatnot.
     
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