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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Jun 25, 2012 #201 of 1671
    maartena

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    Well in the end it really does not matter what I, or others in this topic think.... that's not going to be the deciding factor.

    This, however, is a fact:

    Last season, every large geographical area around the schools, could watch ALL local games on DirecTV, mostly through a local RSN.

    As long as fans do not LOSE access to their local teams, I don't think anyone is really going to care how they bring those games to their customers. Currently, it would appear to be "all or nothing", but we just don't know what DirecTV is trying to accomplish.

    As far as stadiums go.... the Tampa Bay Rays often had less then 5000 people in the stadium when they did poorly. Kansas City and Oakland sometimes netted less then 10.000 people. All are 40k+ stadiums. But people still watch the games on TV and in Sports bars.

    And regardless of whether PAC12 is doing it right, the networks are worth anything, etc.... if Sports Bars in the Los Angeles area can't get UCLA or USC games.... they'll just get them from TWC.

    By the way, I haven't been able to confirm this, but it would appear from what I read in news reports is that some cable operators, besides offering the local channel included in some package, will offer the OTHER channels as a sports pack option of some sort. But this is totally up to the local cable outlets, and we'll have to see what actually takes place in August.
     
  2. Jun 25, 2012 #202 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    I don't think anyone said it stands head and shoulders above the others. I think we are just saying your undercutting it. This is the next evolution to the big ten channels and I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see the biggest six conferences Go to this format at some point and that's why I think DirecTV is afraid of setting any precedence that will make it unable to do the same for other conferences when they try and do this same thing.
     
  3. Jun 25, 2012 #203 of 1671
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    I see a lot of comments on the "Pac 12 ratings." The biggest issue the Pac 12 always had was a horrible TV deal. Most games were only shown on the West Coast, many were put into the 8:30 West Coast time slot so a lot of the East Coast wouldn't watch. Their basketball games were mostly carried via the FSN network and they would put the games on later. That was one of the big issues, they Pac 12 wanted to have better nationwide coverage so their programing could be seen by a larger audience. I know football is king, but there are a lot of other sports the Pac 12 excels in, only need to look at the US Water Polo team to see how many men and women are Pac 12 alumni. My guess is they plan to fill a lot of the air time with sports like swimming, water polo, soccer, softball, baseball etc. While not sports that gain huge #s it will have people watching. The other thing is the Pac12 has Comcast as an investor in the channel, they want to see the channel succeed. I don't know the exact #s but I believe both Cal and Stanford are in the top 5 schools in the country for the # of sports they compete in.
     
  4. Jun 25, 2012 #204 of 1671
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    This is why I don't understand the need for 7 more R$N's. The local RSN's already in place in those regions seemed to cover things just fine.

    This is what worries me. If the PAC-12 channel doesn't allow D* to carry just the main channel and the sub channels only on game days, will the PAC-12 channel say "fine, if you don't want to carry all the feeds then the local bars will just add the local cable company as a supplement". I wouldn't be surprised though if the big local sports bars already have both D* and cable. I know a few here do.

    Another thing that worries me, even more R$N's that D* and others will have to carry. Is it going to get to the point where regions go from carrying one R$N to two or three R$N's just for local teams? This happened in NY, now LA, and soon Houston. I wonder if one day each team will just have their own channel.
     
  5. Jun 25, 2012 #205 of 1671
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    I agree. But we are past that. The schools signed their broadcast rights over to PAC12, and thus.... if DirecTV customers want the same access as last season, they have to buy that access from PAC12.

    What could also be more worrisome to DirecTV is when Sports bars start tapping in to a cable company, the next step might be: "We, the cable company, can offer you MLB Extra Innings for less than DirecTV". Sure, DirecTV will hold on to the NFL through at least 2014, but TWC here has MLB Extra Innings and NHL Center Ice, and I believe they also have the NBA package.... so if Sports bar owners go to cable for e.g. their USC/UCLA games, I bet you anything the cable companies are going to try and push their services. And if the NFL in 2014 decided to release their feeds to ALL willing providers, it is possible that SOME sports bars might make a total switch. And that is a lot of revenue.

    Indeed.... Granted, TWC is just creating two RSN's, they aren't really dedicated to 1 team only, they just happen to have the Lakers and L.A. Galaxy rights (and WNBA Sparks), and could get the Dodgers in 2013 if they play their cards right.

    It is going to get more interesting even IF (and that is a huge, big IF) a NFL team decides to make the move to Los Angeles. They have pretty much secured funds for building a NFL stadium in Los Angeles, the builders just won't break ground until there is a signature from a team. Rams and Raiders are the most likely candidates, but who knows.

    But yes, the Los Angeles area is a volatile market right now. It is also a market that has a TREMENDOUS amount of DirecTV customers, being the city that hosts its Headquarters, this is where they started. In my neighborhood alone, I have counted over 50 DirecTV dishes, and 1 - yes ONE - Dish Network dish. Not that my neighborhood is representative of the average or anything (its a middle-income type neighborhood, built in the 50ies and 60ies) but I really see almost 80 to 90% DirecTV dishes when I drive around anywhere here.
     
  6. Jun 25, 2012 #206 of 1671
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    That's one thing that worries me - 30 channels for NBA teams, 32 for NFL teams and 30 for MLB, not counting teams that might want distinct Spanish-language channels. And each one wanting their 50 cents or a dollar per subscriber or there'll be h(e)ll to pay from the fans.

    This explosion of sports networks is getting more and more niche and sucking huge amounts of money out of the pockets of the middle class.
     
  7. Jun 25, 2012 #207 of 1671
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    This never was about the Big 12 or the SEC. The SEC will continue to get its games on CBS and ESPN. The Big 12 the same.

    SEC is on top for now and into the future, but do remember they don't play the same competitive schedule the Pac 12 and Big 10 play. Can't dispute that.

    If you want to get into media markets and the like then the Pac 12 smokes the Big 12 any day, but that's not what this is all about. It's about the Pac 12 network. Go somewhere else if you want to toot all the other conferences.

    2 - LA
    6 - Bay Area
    12 - Seattle
    13 - Phoenix
    17 - Denver
    20 - Sacramento
    22 - Portland
    28 - San Diego
    33 - SLC
    40 - Las Vegas
    70 - Tucson
    73-Spokane
    90 - Colorado Springs
    121 - Eugene
    122- Santa Barbara
    123-Yakima/Pasco
    125-Monterray/Salinas

    5 - Dallas
    10 - Houston
    31 - Kansas City
    36 - San Antonio
    44 - OK City
    59-Tulsa
    67-Wichita
    88- Waco
    89-Cedar Rapids





     
  8. Jun 25, 2012 #208 of 1671
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    Your list is so flawed...you basically used every California market. San Diego has no Pac12 team. You included 2 Colorado DMAs why? CU is Boulder. You listed 17 markets for 12 areas & 9 for 10. :lol:
     
  9. Jun 25, 2012 #209 of 1671
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    http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/.../tv/nielsen-2012-local-DMA-TV-penetration.pdf

    It's not flawed. It's reality. I am sure I can keep going down the list, but what markets are missing?

    Yes, San Diego has no Pac 12 team...but it's a Pac 12 market.

    If we include Houston, which is what, 4 hrs away from Dallas and Austin in the Big 12 numbers, we cannot include San Diego in the Pac 12? That's silly.

    I used to live in San Diego and I went to ASU. San Diego clearly follows the Pac 12.....

    It's flawed only in your mind. Also consider that Big 12 can never get a conference network started because Texas, the league's most powerful school has it's own and is off the market.

    Go ahead and find the areas missing, because yes, I only went down to 125. Yes, you are right, San Angelo, TX is at 197. I am sure those 55K tv sets will favor the Big 12.

    Talk to anyone in advertising, they might enlighten you as to who is who in markets and market penetration.
     
  10. Jun 25, 2012 #210 of 1671
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    No but I do know that USC and UCLA games have been shown in the past in San Diego. I don't know if there is a large following, and it is just "filler space" on Prime Ticket, but there might be some fans down there as well. In which case it would put the USC/UCLA market to well over 20 million.

    Nevada/Las Vegas.... always a special case. The city basically exploded in the 60ies, and still today you will have a hard time finding 3d generation Las-Vegasians. (Is that right?) They are also one of the luckiest places when it comes to access to teams, as there is no team in Nevada, they basically get ALL NHL, NFL, MLB, MLS, NBA, and College sports on TV. Their access to MLB for instance is SIX teams, all 5 from California and the 1 from Arizona. There are so many California and Arizona converts in Las Vegas that bought cheap housing there, it is actually sickening.... :D

    Las Vegas is one of those towns where you will find fans of ALL teams in the southwest, including much of the PAC12 teams. If you like sports, and you don't want to pay through the nose to watch teams, Las Vegas is where you should live.
     
  11. Jun 25, 2012 #211 of 1671
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    I don't think that will last long. I mean sure there is Yankees YES, and they probably have enough programming to go year round, but not every channel has. I mean, what do a NBA and NHL channel do all summer? NHL Network itself hasn't much programming then, besides reruns of games, segments on players, and reporting the draft.

    A RSN needs a summer league and a winter league at the very least. It won't be financially viable for long with teams like Kansas City Royals, who make petty money compared to teams like the Red Sox and Yankees.
     
  12. Jun 25, 2012 #212 of 1671
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    You Pac12ers love your conference, no matter how bad or 2nd rate it is. ;)
     
  13. Jun 25, 2012 #213 of 1671
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    also in LV you can sit in the sports books and see all the games in some real nice setups
     
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    MGM Grand has a really nice setup.
     
  15. Jun 26, 2012 #215 of 1671
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    I don't give a damn about it. If we don't get the networks, you won't hear me crying. I watch other sports, like hockey. :D

    I just know how huge the market is in Los Angeles, and how big both USC and UCLA football is.... in a market with more then 18 million people and NO NFL team.
     
  16. Jun 26, 2012 #216 of 1671
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    Simply put, they can only show certain games at certain times on certain nights because of all the other sports. They no longer have these worries, and can spread things out in both times and days. I believe we will now see basketball five or six days a week, instead of three. That allows them to broadcast a lot more games to everyone. That's just one example. Add allL the additional sports they will now be able to broadcast, and the exposure really expands.

    People won't have to decide if they want to watch the washington or washington state basketball game, they will be able to see both... Same with all the other areas. USC and UCLA would always play basketball on Thursday's at the same time. Now they won't have to.
     
  17. Jun 26, 2012 #217 of 1671
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    I was in TV advertising for 20 years. I understand fully, DMA, Market sizes and Market Penetration. So save the pious inferences.

    I also as a Sports fan want to see D pick up all the feeds. That said they very likely won't pick them all up. It won't be a Game Changer either way.

    You vastly overstate the importance of the PAC 12 Network sub feeds.

    The only teams in the PAC 12 DMA's that "move the needle nationally" are the Lakers and Dodgers, neither of which will be appearing on the new PAC 12 Network:)

    The only semi interesting point made so far by any of the Left Coasters is the Sports bar angle that marteena has been pointing out.

    PAC 12 Network, I hope and believe it will succeed in time.

    Larry Scott is the right man but anyone thinking the PAC 12 network the first few years is going to be a Game Changer for DirecTV either way (carry/or not) is misguided or misinformed.

    My speculation would be that D picks up the National feed and the USC/UCLA sub feed full time and the remaining five feeds as "Game only".

    For the final time let me add, I hope as an avid sports fan they pick all feeds up. Love watching Left Coast football late Saturday Night during the fall.

    No anti PAC 12 football rants from me just pointing out how one or two vastly overstate the importance of D picking up all seven feeds immediately. Though I also understand if you are a fan of the other teams outside the LA market that this is very important to you personally.

    Just don't equate that same level import to CFB fans across the Country.
     
  18. Jun 26, 2012 #218 of 1671
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    Then don't come in here and attack Pac 12 fans and make insulting comments as you did in earlier posts. Because I can come right back to you and say all kinds of crap that they laid off the right guy.

    The fact remains that on the west coast the Pac 12 controls. There are people who will walk and move to a competitor. That is not overstated, but fact. It will not be everyone, but it will be quite a few. It may not be immediately, but it will happen.

    Directv can do whatever it wants to do. Subscribers can as well.
     
  19. Jun 26, 2012 #219 of 1671
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    Yes, absolutely. Root Sports NW now has the Mariners and what else? Big Sky Sports is coming this fall and then there is Gonzaga basketball. Root used to have Supersonics (gone), Trail Blazers (CSN NW), Pac 12 sports (only some basketball remains)...talk about part-time....
     
  20. Jun 26, 2012 #220 of 1671
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    What does this jibberish even mean?

    Get over yourself, there is virtually zero chance that D picks up all seven feeds. You will have a choice to make. You will survive without D, they will thrive without you. No big deal either way.

    On the non Pac 12 network front on the field was what I was talking about as far as passion and TV ratings.

    Proof is in the numbers PAC 8,10,12 in what ever form has NEVER been ratings king, Very likely Never will be.

    Your last sentence summed it up perfectly.

    DirecTV has choices to make they will make the right business choice for them. Subs will make the right choice for themselves in response.

    Just vote with your wallet instead of the constant wailing and gnashing of teeth.


    My final words on the subject. I hope D picks up all feeds makes all of us sports fans ecstatic.
     
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