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  1. Jul 17, 2012 #281 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    I give up. You don't have a clue and think the only way they can support the PAC 12 is to have all seven channels fulltime. I assign that to your desire and misguided judgement of what is important and what isn't. Viacom is more important to directv than seven full channels of the PAC 12. And as for space "today." it doesn't work that way but you are in complete denial.

    Explain to me why one fulltime channel and six game only channels does not work? You keep ignoring that. It is a solution that works for everyone except your somehow slanted view that it has to be all seven.

    Since you keep ignoring the proposition, I can only assume you are determined to be unreasonable.
     
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  3. Jul 17, 2012 #283 of 1671
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    This is not directed to me, but I'll give my input.

    I agree that the what is needed is access to the games. However, there are a few considerations....

    It's not just football. Baseball and Basketball are also very popular, and pretty soon you will have to have a lot of part time feeds that will be in use virtually every night for a few hours with all the different sports that PAC12 is proposing to show. I for one would be interested in UCLA track and field, simply because I know an up and coming rising star on their team, and I have seen the PAC12 track & field competitions on FS West last year. Would prefer not to have to watch those online.

    PAC12 might not be setup for separate feeds. Now, they will probably not have to, simply because out of the 7 feeds DirecTV will receive, DirecTV in turn can choose to only shoot the games up to the heavens for distribution to its customers. But how does DirecTV decide what they will put on the part time feeds? Just football? The three most important sports? Or will someone like me that would like to see the track and field competitions get shafted, where they were on TV before?

    I think it is a slippery slope. PAC12 is been setting up this way because they didn't just want the same coverage, they wanted MORE coverage, and MORE television than the universities could sell to the RSN's. They want to be able to cover volleyball, field hockey, rowing, soccer, track & field, and so on, and part time channels will become full time pretty quick, especially as some of these events probably can't be live due to scheduling conflicts, and will simply air after one game is over. Non-live is pretty common for the less common sports.

    So who decides what goes on my screen? Will DirecTV filter which sports are shown? I realize there are "must have" sports (football, baseball, basketball) and that the rest is just icing on the cake that a lot less people actually watch.... but is "bandwidth" the reason why DirecTV will filter what gets shown and what not? If this is so, I can understand why PAC12 would rather sell a "all or nothing" deal.
     
  4. Jul 17, 2012 #284 of 1671
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    TonyD79, I am not ignoring anything. I am NOT saying that Directv will add the Pac 12 network. I am saying Directv has to decide HOW to use it's bandwidth to maximize its profitability. That's not my call, never has been my call. What I have said is Directv knows what it is doing, knows what is profitable, and who pays what.

    You insist on arguing. I am simply stating the facts present and what Directv will consider in making it's ultimate conclusion. It's really marketing 101, which apparently you didn't ever get the option to take.

    I'd be literally shocked if the demographic spending power of watching Spongbob on two Nick channels plus all this stuff on MTV outweighs the demographic spending power. The 40-55 age group is the group that watches the bulk of these sports. We're on the ones that have the money to buy cars, buy tools, appliances, etc. and its these advertisers that advertise on college football. (Put another way Fox has largely canned its Saturday night lineup in favor of MLB baseball, college football, nascar, and other sporting events almost every Sat night between now and December - this itself shows you how well this age group demographic fares with sports - Fox has said they can make MORE net profits with carrying sporting events every Sat evening vs. the tv show COPS, which has very low production costs)

    Viacom is all in the middle of this - Directv has said it's bandwidth is too valuable and they won't waste it. They seem to believe that they can re-allocate that bandwidth if Viacom does not meet what Directv believes it can get elesewhere.

    Yes, I am partial to the Pac 12, but that has NOTHING to do with this whatsoever. That's what you keep missing.

    You think having part-time channels is going to work for me...it's not. What will work is a dedicated Pac 12 channel PLUS the local channel on full-time. The competitor here in this market has this - and whatever I cannot get I will be able to get on the internet - so I will get my Arizona State sports channel for sure and it will be full-time.

    So in the end are there enough folks that will walk from Directv? Maybe, maybe not. Directv knows this - they think anyway. If they guess wrong they destroy their customer base on the west coast.

    Tony, its all about making money. That is what you keep missing. Just because a channel is there today - or a PPV or gameplan, etc., does not mean it will be there tomorrow. Those days are gone. If there is limited bandwidth then it will go to whomever will make the company the most money.

    And I openly dispute that Viacom is more important than the Pac 12. Who, in that demographic has any money? Little kids? college students watching MTV, recent grads with nothing else to do in life? They are broke dude. Other than the trendy cell phone, this demographic can't afford squat.

     
  5. Jul 17, 2012 #285 of 1671
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    They already do that with RSNs. Not all events are shown. But in the first year, it is less than 2 events per day on the entire PAC 12 set of channels, so I think they will survive. If it increases later and the need is there, you can add later.

    Sorry. Editing on an iPhone is not easy.

    Of those 2 per day, most will be on the same day as football is mostly in Saturday and basketball has certain days of the week.
     
  6. Jul 18, 2012 #286 of 1671
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    With most of the events on just a few days as you state really doesn't address the issue. If you have part-time channels with them all turned on for a Saturday doesn't solve anything at all. It's the peak days you claim Directv has the issue with bandwidth. You have over-simplified the entire issue.


     
  7. Jul 18, 2012 #287 of 1671
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    No. Those are the days they take down the PPV channels they use when they aren't used for liv programming. The same ones they use for the nfl and other events.

    So your solution for having a few hours of squeezing in channels is to make them full time? You are making my argument for me.

    You say it is a business decision. You want them to turn off lucrative PPV channels 24/7 for fluff pieces and repeats that will be on all seven channels rather than for the couple hours some days for live programming.
     
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    TonyD79, once again, you've shouted off without reading what I wrote, which is your mantra.

    I have not stated any proper solution, I have said repeatedly that Directv has to use it's bandwidth to maximize its profits and if they means pulling down channels that are less profitable overall then that is what they need to do.

    I've stated that they cannot ignore the Pac 12 network in many markets because their direct competitor has it, so an option of flipping things on and off is not really practical when the competitor has something different on it's system.

    You do not understand customer demographics, customer wants, and customer needs. Most people choose satellite because it offers an experience different from cable TV - it offers services not available on cable TV. That's why I am here and that's why everyone I know is here. Whether it's NFL Sunday Ticket or the option to pick up SportsPack, etc. We are all here for something different than what cable can offer. So to be competitive satellite has to offer something at least equal to what I can get on my local cable company.

    You are struggling with the customer and who he is, what customers pay for, what they don;t, etc. This is all marketing 101 - you differentiate your product from your competitor and focus on those consumers that will make you the most money. That is how successful companies are. It's not about mass marketing something everyone can buy - Directv's cost structure does not allow for that. Directv is not the low price leader. Directv is competitive, certainly.

    Maybe they don't teach marketing 101 back east, not sure, but really you are completely lost in this discussion. Tell me this - WHO is the customer Directv is marketing towards? WHO is the customer that spends the most money with Directv? Tell me the age group and other demographic of these customers. It's surely not the college student and it's not the young adult. Not only is the up front cost prohibitive, but this market segment has no money!!!! So carrying MTV and it's 3 channels plus VH1 and it's 2 channels and all the other stuff is not making Directv any real money. Sure my kids like Spongebob, but so what....he's got competitors too....and they haven't said much about him being gone, I am not even sure they really noticed.

    Customers choose Directv for one major reason - sports - and secondly, selection of other unique programming options. That is who the customer is.

    Shorting the customer by not carrying the channels that they want to see is not what Directv needs to do. I am sure that back east all will be well, but if Directv does not carry the Pac 12 out west, overall it might as well throw in the towel for any significant customer base out west. It's that simple. Sure not everyone will leave, but in time you will see a major drop off, guaranteed, if there is a legitimate competitor. It won't be right away, but it will be slow.

    The cable companies are salivating right now at the fact that they have Pac 12 and cable doesn't. Just about every night of the week they are up and down the street selling - and to be honest, Comcast is pulling them off the satellite right now like crazy. You don't believe me, but it's happening. I am holding out hoping that Directv makes the right decision. I am one of the few satellite guys still left in the neighborhood I believe (it's sometimes hard to tell because the dish gets left up there, but if you use the theory of why is he Comcast truck at a house with a dish on it, it means one thing, they've pulled out). And I saw the guy's list of the neighborhood of what each address and customers pay, where the gaps are, etc.

    Call it whatever you want TonyD79, but you can market to the masses and not make money, but have great sales and a low bottom line, OR you can focus on a market segment of profitable customers and make more money with less customers. This is the point you are completely missing.





     
  9. Jul 18, 2012 #289 of 1671
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    Here is an idea of what a local channel will look like:

    http://www.buildingthedam.com/2012/7/18/3167141/pac-12-oregon-initial-schedule-announced

    That is a schedule/plan for the first two weeks of what is dubbed the "Oregon Channel", one of the local channels for PAC12.

    In short, those first 2 weeks will see:

    - Season opener football Oregon State vs, Nichols State.
    - Repeat of this game next day.
    - "A healthy dose of Pac 12 Classics". (whatever that means).
    - A variety of Football preview shows, with repeats.
    - A variety of live sports, among which soccer, volleyball, field hockey and others. (with repeats).

    So they are filling up the channel with live sports, repeats of live sports, a number of classic games, and it states that every Oregon football game will be broadcasted on the channel as well.

    Field hockey! Now, I was a field hockey player in my younger days when I lived in Europe, so I always had a soft spot for the sport. Being from The Netherlands originally where the sport is the 2nd national team sport (after soccer), I would not mind catching a few games. I only ever get to see field hockey during the Olympics (already looking forward to the Holland vs Germany game), so this is nice.

    Of course, if DirecTV will let me have it. :D

    You see, I personally could care less about football. Or basketball for that matter.... it is the lesser popular sports I enjoy watching.

    Edit: for completeness, the PDF tot the broadcasting schedule for the Oregon Channel:

    http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1243211/Pac12_Oregon_Schedule_8-15_to_9-2.pdf

    Edit2: Looks like they are filling the local channels up 24/7, with variety/preview shows for many sports. On the Oregon channel there is a good dose of live soccer coming, both mens and womens, I found quite a bit of field hockey coverage too, which pleases me.

    That said, PLENTY of classics/repeats as well in between as fillers, including repeats of all the recent live games. (Which is awesome actually, as some of the field hockey games are played during work hours, and I would be able to catch them at night).

    This schedule was just released today, haven't seen anything yet from the other local channels.
     
  10. Jul 18, 2012 #290 of 1671
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    I believe the Big Ten Network shows the occasional field hockey match.
     
  11. Jul 18, 2012 #291 of 1671
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    Yeah I have seen a few matches here and there. I wan't subscribed to the Sports Pack until recently, I signed up for Universal Sports mostly, even though it isn't in HD yet. Most recently I have seen a few USA National Team matches on NBC Sports Network, in preparation for the Olympics.
     
  12. Jul 18, 2012 #292 of 1671
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    And here is the schedule for the Los Angeles network:

    http://www.pac-12.org/portals/7/images/programming-schedules/losangeles.pdf

    For the first two weeks, these 2 networks are 90% the same. The biggest difference I have found is the Football games on Sept. 1st, their pre-game football shows, and post-game shows.

    The current schedule (but granted, basketball and baseball is not listed yet as no games are being played) seems to indicate that they do have 24/7 coverage, but no more then about 5 to 10% is different between the 2 channels I found a schedule off.

    Looks to me they could get away with a CONUS main channel, one CONUS sub channel, and overflow part-time feeds for important games. However, it needs to be said that basketball, baseball, and several other sports haven't started yet at college level, and the programming for the local channels might change once the sport season gets busier, and PAC-12 starts to produce more independent shows.
     
  13. Jul 18, 2012 #293 of 1671
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    And another post, just to throw some more mud into the mix.... :D

    From our local news paper, the Orange County Register. (ocregister.com)
     
  14. Jul 18, 2012 #294 of 1671
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    Links to all of the initial schedules are here.
     
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    And indeed, mostly identical, except for the Football game son Sept 1st. (And probably their pre/post shows.)

    The way the schedule looks at THIS moment, it would mean that for 90% of the time, the local networks would broadcast the identical programming. And that would be a waste of bandwidth..... but again, we would have to know how the programming is going to change.
     
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    Another small note: From comments on various websites I have been able to gather that Comcast will carry all 7 networks on their cable outlets, but you have to pay extra to get the other regions besides your own.
     
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    Much like DirecTV Comcast has a "sports pack" that includes NFL RZC and the FSN College channels. I am guessin the other PAC 12 channels will probably be in SD and lumped in with the FSN College channels.
     
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    That sounds promising. What do you guys think?
     
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    This is going to lead to some pretty agonizing business decisions for DIRECTV. Each of the regions has a significant displaced fan base but can they afford to carry five CONUS channels of 90+% the same content just to insure that they don't miss eight hours of local programming on Saturday.

    Everyone is going to expect that their team will make a TV appearance but there are only so many PPV channels they can take down and dozens of Division 1 games that aren't covered by ESPN or Fox.
     
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