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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Jul 18, 2012 #301 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    Really? Let's see. The number of HD games on directv not covered by an existing channel (espn, FSN, BTN, etc) beyond alternates to date. Zero.
     
  2. Jul 18, 2012 #302 of 1671
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    90% the same sounds the FSN sub feeds.

    Now that may be what DTV wants and the pac12 wants all 7 on full time.
     
  3. Jul 18, 2012 #303 of 1671
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    I know you guys are saying the schedules say the same thing, but your assuming that all the teams to be determined for the replays and classic games will be the same. I guessing they will not, and that each regional will show its regions teams, and be different in every region. That's where the big question comes in.

    Based on that article and how he was talking about what channels to expect in what packages, I now fully believe that they should carry each regional on a spot beam, and the national one in the sports pack, and be done with it. Some areas like Vegas, they could have the national channel If the spot doesn't reach there as a RSN instead of a sports pack channel.

    As for those worried abut sports bars, don't be. Most people in areas of sports bars will still get all the games they need with that format. The only time they might not have access to quite as many games is the very few times a year when football is playing several non conference games at the same time. Otherwise, they will get the same amount and more. They have already said basketball will be played most days of the week now so that all games can get seen nationally. The rash they wanted the separate channels is for the locals to be able to catch more replays and classics and per and post games for their home teams. So give it to them.
     
  4. Jul 18, 2012 #304 of 1671
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    Huh? Sports bars make big money because of in OUT OF TOWN sports. Your solution only gives locals to the sports bars.
     
  5. Jul 18, 2012 #305 of 1671
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    After reviewing all of the schedules, I am still hanging on to my speculation of D* carrying the flagship channel plus game-only alternates.

    If the Pac-12 further insists, the regionals could be placed on their respective spot beams and that would be the end of it.

     
  6. Jul 18, 2012 #306 of 1671
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    Then we'll all leave. If I can't get - through paying extra - my ASU sports here in Oregon then I will go to Comcast. It's that simple.

    Put it in Sportspack, I don't care, but if it is only on the "respective spot beams" then there will be an exodus of fans, period....unless I guess Directv opens up the internet feed, but that's a hassle and I don't have that capability at all TVs on the house. Not really sure how I feel about that.

    It's not the end of it - Directv has bandwidth. They will have to choose carrying crap on a lot of it that really doesn't pay for itself OR they'll have to put the full package on....I am telling you the Viacom thing is part of a big master plan to rationalize the bandwidth use versus what really generates profits.

    There's no need for example of two Nick channels plus some of the old re-runs on secondary Nick channels, etc. But that's not my call to make and I can guess this is at the crux of the negotiations....Directv has a limit on the bandwidth for Pac-12 and upcoming other RSNs and is no longer going to allow itself to be boxed in with extra crud where it doesn't generate a good margin for Directv. Frankly, few folks are cancelling over Viacom and that shows that people are not missing it in droves.....but we'll see how it turns out.
     
  7. Jul 18, 2012 #307 of 1671
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    This is why I post to you. The post you are ranting about says game feeds.

    And where are you going to go? More than likely you won't get ASU in Oregon elsewhere.
     
  8. Jul 18, 2012 #308 of 1671
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    There are very few games each year that won't be live on the national channel, and almost all of those will be non conference games.
     
  9. Jul 18, 2012 #309 of 1671
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    Are you actually suggesting that the Viacom dispute is about bandwidth? That's probably the very last reason that's going on.

    It has been said many times, if your provider offers any pac12 channels at all, you will have full access to all channels via the Internet, as well as additional Internet only programing.

    And even if you only have the national channel, you will likely get to see 85-90% of the games from every school anyway. I know missing that one non conference game in the first week or so will be annoying, but then, it's a non conference game at the beginning of the season that we are talking about. Now if we see a schedule that says your going to miss games by only having the national feed n the last week of the season,then maybe we can start saying this is a bigger issue, but I don't think that will happen. It's all in how they schedule their games. There is a reason they have talked about having basketball games 6 nights a week. (although we will see what hey actually end p doing)
     
  10. Jul 19, 2012 #310 of 1671
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    I just don't see part time happening. But who knows. Time will tell.
     
  11. Jul 19, 2012 #311 of 1671
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    If the Pac 12 won't let DirecTV have part-time overflow channels, then we will never see the Pac 12 Network on DirecTV.
     
  12. Jul 19, 2012 #312 of 1671
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    We simply disagree. There are plenty of other configurations they could do that would be as good or better for both companies involved than having part time channels.
     
  13. Jul 19, 2012 #313 of 1671
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    Game feeds of what? All the live events being shown or just football? It's more than just football. TonyD79, let's just agree to disagree. You may understand the technology side of things, but you have no clue whatsoever on how to market that technology to customers and how one differentiates the product and the customer - and chases the customers that it can make the most money on.

    You call marketing a rant. I think it shows how naive you are. To dismiss the demographics and economics of things is silly. If there is really a shortage of bandwidth, which many suggest there is, then Directv is going to pull those channels off that it believes that it cannot make money on IF there is something else the company believes would be a better fit. So there is a negotiating trade off....do you think Viacom will walk if SpongeBob only gets one feed of Nickolodean rather than the two it gets now? Do you think if they will walk if they only get 1 or 2 rather than three MTVs? Or 1 of 2 VH1s? That's doubtful at best. There is minimal content that people care about across all these duplicative channels. Viacom can (and will be) pared down and other content added and Directv will go on and add other content that appeals to an audience that will allow Directv to maximize its bandwith use, it's customer satisfaction, and profits.
     
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    Yes, I am not suggesting it is about bandwidth, I am telling you it is about bandwidth - and prices we pay - customers wanting things that they will pay for. It is about maximizing its use of bandwidth to find the right mix of content to appeal to it's customers and maximizing profits.

    Directv has to use it's bandwidth in a manner to maximize profits for the company now that it, in theory, is running low. For example, do you use precious bandwidth to offer two Nick feeds, an east and a west, at the expense of the Lakers new channel, the Pac 12 Network, PPV movies, etc.? Will customers leave with only one feed of Nick? I doubt that at all, especially in the age of DVRs, etc. Cable rarely has an east and a west feed. We only get one TNT and USA now, yet we get two feeds of the channel that has SpongeBob? Talk about a waste of bandwidth.

     
  15. Jul 19, 2012 #315 of 1671
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    It's not just football games that will be on Pac 12 network.....basketball, baseball, track, swimming, golf, and I can go on and on.....so there are conflicts of games and access if you fail to show the regional channels.
     
  16. Jul 19, 2012 #316 of 1671
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    well epix is like 3-4 HD feeds and there are like 3-5? other HD feeds.

    Also about 3-4 SD for epix and 3-4 other SD feeds not on directv.
     
  17. Jul 19, 2012 #317 of 1671
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    I am presuming you are only talking football here, not basketball or baseball, both of which have significantly more games during the season.

    UCLA has quite an impressive softball team too, I loved to see them play on FS West, they would show their games on a regular basis.

    Why does everyone seem to think that football is the only thing people care about? The only football game I ever watch is maybe the superbowl.... and even then I am going to a superbowl party for the people (and the food/beer) not for the actual game.

    To give UCLA Softball/Baseball as an example, because of no restrictions on blackouts, a softball game between UCLA and Stanford could be seen in Maine if they wanted to, because if they subscribed to the sports pack and got FSWest or PrimeTicket (which is where those games have shown in the past) they would be able to see it everywhere in the United States.

    Same with UCLA Basketball, games would be shown on RSN's, thus available to the entire United States.

    Not putting the local feeds on CONUS spots, would remove that, and would essentially restrict all those sports, soccer, baseball, softball, basketball, that was previously shown nationwide through a local RSN to a spot beam that might not cover even half a state in the case of Southern/Northern California.

    To give you an idea:

    http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/091611aad.html

    UCLA Basketball TV schedule for 2011/2012, with about 75% of games shown on FS Sports outlets. I would imagine that the 2012/2013 schedule looks about the same, with 75% being on one of the local channels. (Since that schedule was released on Nov 1st, I would imagine we won't know until about early November this year also).

    As with any university, their students roam nationwide after they are done studying. I know a Washington State fan here that watches most of their sports here in SoCal, because that is where he went to university. He has DirecTV, the sports pack, and off he goes. Basketball is what he is mostly in to.

    With spot beams, the entire nation would essentially LOSE most non-football sports coverage from the PAC-12 conference, or would have to go watch it online.

    In a nutshell, CONUS would provide a status-quo, meaning PAC-12 alumni/sports fans would still be able to enjoy their sports as they did in 2011/2012 season through the RSN's they could see using the sports pack, but now just through different channels. Spot beams would take all those sports away - give or take a quarter of the games shown nationally, as is the case with Basketball - from the entire nation.

    You, as a lakers fan, of all people SHOULD realize there is more beyond football. :D
     
  18. Jul 19, 2012 #318 of 1671
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    Meh. If DirecTV is forced to carry Epix, they can probably cut 2 PPV channels, and push off 2 basic HD to 2014, and call it a compromise. ;)
     
  19. Jul 19, 2012 #319 of 1671
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    No matter what anyone says about softball, etc. for the first year, there are fewer than 2 events per day. I don't see how seven channels are needed to support that. The biggest days will be football Saturdays and basketball nights.
     
  20. Jul 19, 2012 #320 of 1671
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    While you are right in some respects, I think you far far underestimate how important it is that the east west feeds both be carried. Sure people only usually watch one of those channels, but which one depends n where the person lives. I record almost only east coast feeds so they never conflict with prime time shows. Now obviously some of those channels mean more than others to different people too...

    I think everyone complaining about seven channels is underestimating how much the local markets would like their local feeds, and the key is to find a way to give them that without it costing to much, from money to bandwidth, etc.
     
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