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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Jul 21, 2012 #341 of 1671

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Actually, that's very good and makes this much more attractive to Directv IMHO.

    I almost think that if that hadn't gone that way, Directv would have been far more hesitant to offer anything other than the national channel.
  2. Jul 21, 2012 #342 of 1671

    sum_random_dork Icon

    Aug 21, 2008
    Some of these members are not "Podunk" Astound and Wave have parts of the SF Bay Area and Sacramento that Comcast doesn't have. Suddenlink has parts of the CA foothills and almost all of the Lake Tahoe area south to Mammoth Mountain. It should put pressure on DirecTV, Dish, and AT&T to come to an agreement.
  3. Jul 21, 2012 #343 of 1671

    espnjason Armchair Referee

    Sep 30, 2008
    The real question is would the Pac-12 accept game only feeds in addition to the Main Channel? The Pac-12 pretty much has all it wants with cable. But Satellite is an entirely different issue.

    DirecTV customers by and large would only care about the availability of live games and not too much else. If DirecTV could make an arrangement as previously stated, DirecTV will provide greater value to the Pac-12 fans especially those of a displaced variety.
  4. Jul 21, 2012 #344 of 1671

    BusterAvis Legend

    Jul 13, 2012
    Prediction time:
    On what exact date will DirecTV sign a deal with the Pac 12 Network(s) ???
  5. Jul 21, 2012 #345 of 1671

    BusterAvis Legend

    Jul 13, 2012

    Here's how Comcast is presenting the regional network option to anyone who lives outside a particular region. You (the Comcast subscriber) can choose to pick one or more regional networks for $9.99 per regional network (per month). If you wanted all six regional networks, then you'd have to pay nearly $60 per month (maybe it's nearly $50, since you would already get one regional network on your line-up if you live in one of the regions). Or $60 per month, if you live outside all the regions (such as on the east coast for example). If DirecTV follows suit, then you will have to pay $9.99 per regional network (per month), and basically $60 per month if you want all the regional networks.

    Read the user comments in the link below (even do a control-F search function of $9.99) ..........

  6. Jul 21, 2012 #346 of 1671

    BusterAvis Legend

    Jul 13, 2012
  7. Jul 21, 2012 #347 of 1671

    espnjason Armchair Referee

    Sep 30, 2008
    August 6th.

    $9.99 for each additional region is quite steep. But then again it is cable....
  8. Jul 21, 2012 #348 of 1671

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    I could see 9.99 as a package deal but 9.99 a piece? Wow.
  9. Jul 21, 2012 #349 of 1671

    BusterAvis Legend

    Jul 13, 2012
    They're probably assuming that 95% of people that want the regional networks, only want "one" of the regional networks (which would be whatever region their favorite team is in).

    But what about families that have more than one favorite team in the household?
    For example, the father's favorite team could be UCLA (as he was a UCLA alum). The mother's favorite team could be Washington (as she was a Washington alum). The two kids could be Oregon and Arizona State fans, respectively. And so on. Not saying that there would be 4 favorite teams in the house, but I could see many families/homes, where there are 2 and even 3 favorite teams in the house. That gets pricey if you have to purchase three regional networks ($29.97 per month additional).
  10. Jul 23, 2012 #350 of 1671

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    Yeah I read the same. But that might just be Comcast.

    I don't think Time Warner will carry more than the national and 1 local in the markets they control within Pac-12.
  11. Jul 23, 2012 #351 of 1671

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    August 10th. It's a Friday. Everyone wants to go home. And it allows for a launch to "test" on Monday, and launch to "live" on Wednesday.
  12. Jul 23, 2012 #352 of 1671

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    also for directv it's cheaper to have all the feeds on the system then it is for comcast that needs to feed them to each headend.
  13. Jul 23, 2012 #353 of 1671

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Poorly worded article. Not an official Comcast statement either. A report of someone who reported a phone call. If you want one (a) out of market regional channel could easily have been "what if I want Arizona?" and he was told it would be $9.99.

    Anybody got anything official.

    BTW, hope it is not an indication of how much the PAC 12 wants for the channels.
  14. Jul 23, 2012 #354 of 1671

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    If it is on the system, it is on the system. I doubt Comcast is going to turn on the channel for the first customer who asks and charge $9.99.
  15. Jul 23, 2012 #355 of 1671

    HerntDawg Legend

    Oct 6, 2008
    If they don't carry this on top of not having CSNNW, it might just do it for me to switch.
  16. Jul 23, 2012 #356 of 1671

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    I think what he means is that generally speaking, the headend of a cable system has its own receiver dish. E.g Comcast in the Portland, OR area has a building somewhere with a receiver dish, and the one in Eugene, OR has its own receiver dish, and so on and so on.

    10, 15 years ago it wasn't really financially feasible, to e.g. in the above example, run a bunch of cables along the Interstate 5 from Portland to Eugene, and feeding what is received in Portland into the Eugene network. It would be much cheaper (plus more redundant in case of really bad weather in one place) to have its own dish, receiving the same feed they receive in other Comcast areas.

    Nowadays with internet and telephone on the same network, they are all internet-connected with each-other. However, they are still not used in that way for the transmission of television signals between different markets of the same cable provider, they pretty much all pick up their own feeds from commercial satellite services provided by e.g. Galaxy satellites.

    So Comcast in Portland, OR has its own building with a bunch of dishes somewhere, and so will Eugene. In the SoCal area, there are several, left over from the days that the networks were still separated in Comcast, Adelphia and Time Warner Cable, which was all moved to TWC during the Adelphia bankruptcy. There is one in my town for TWC for instance.

    In some cases, a city that has cable provider A, will be surrounded in territory by cable provider B, usually resulting in cable provider A having its own receiver station somewhere with a bunch of big dishes. If cable provider A has signed a deal for Pac 12, that division would have to setup its own feed. If this was a Comcast "enclave" that was charging $10 per channel, they would have to setup 7 feeds on their local head ends.

    In contrast, DirecTV needs to receive it at 2 locations only, Los Angeles and Colorado, one being a fail-over for the other.

    This doesn't necessarily mean more costs, as as you said, once Comcast receives the decryption keys to decrypt the satellite feed, they can use that key on any headend, and unless a headend just doesn't have the capacity, or a dish pointed at the right satellite, they will be able to receive the feed.

    The PAC12 feeds will be on the Galaxy 18 satellite, which has, among others, Showtime feeds as well, so any headend probably has the capacity to receive it.
  17. Jul 23, 2012 #357 of 1671

    BusterAvis Legend

    Jul 13, 2012
    One thing is for sure.
    There will be a lot more non-revenue (Olympic) sports on this network than the revenue sports (football & basketball).

    Look at the fall television schedules.
    Well over 3/4 of their total games are from Olympic sports (soccer, volleyball, field hockey, water polo, etc.)

    Women's Soccer (58 games televised on Pac-12 networks this fall)
    Men's Soccer (28 games televised on Pac-12 networks this fall)
    Women's Volleyball (82 games televised on Pac-12 networks this fall)
    Women's Field Hockey (6 games televised on Pac-12 networks this fall)
    Men's Water Polo (7 games televised on Pac-12 networks this fall)
    Football (35 games televised on Pac-12 networks this fall)
    216 events total in the fall (35 are football: 35/216 = 16%)

    Only 16% of televised events in the fall will be revenue sports (84% will be non-revenue or Olympic sports)

    Women's Soccer Link:

    Men's Soccer Link:

    Women's Volleyball Link:

    Football Link: (80 games televised, 35 by the Pac-12 Networks, and the other 45 by other networks, such as ESPN, Fox, etc.)

    Women's Soccer - Television Schedule
    Date Time (PT) Matchup
    Aug. 17 7:00 PM Santa Clara vs. Stanford
    Aug. 25 12 Noon BYU vs. Utah
    Aug. 26 1:00 PM Minnesota vs. USC
    Aug. 26 3:00 PM Missouri vs. California
    Aug. 31 4:00 PM Duke vs. USC
    Aug. 31 4:00 PM Boston College vs. Stanford
    Sept. 2 12 Noon San Francisco vs. California
    Sept. 7 7:00 PM Boston University vs. Stanford
    Sept. 7 7:00 PM Loyola Marymount vs. UCLA
    Sept. 9 12 Noon Georgetown vs. Stanford
    Sept. 9 4:30 PM Tennessee vs. UCLA
    Sept. 14 4:00 PM Hawaii vs. Washington State
    Sept. 14 4:00 PM Penn vs. California
    Sept. 14 4:00 PM Gonzaga vs. Oregon State
    Sept. 14 6:00 PM Seattle University vs. Oregon
    Sept. 16 12 Noon Seattle University vs. Oregon State
    Sept. 16 12 Noon Air Force vs. Colorado
    Sept. 16 7:00 PM Pepperdine vs. UCLA
    Sept. 20 7:00 PM Washington State vs. UCLA
    Sept. 21 2:00 PM Arizona vs. California
    Sept. 21 2:00 PM Washington vs. USC
    Sept. 21 4:00 PM Colorado vs. Oregon
    Sept. 23 2:00 PM Arizona State vs. Stanford
    Sept. 24 7:00 PM BYU vs. Oregon
    Sept. 27 6:00 PM Oregon State vs. Stanford
    Sept. 28 12 Noon Washington State vs. Utah
    Sept. 28 2:00 PM USC vs. Arizona State
    Sept. 28 2:00 PM Oregon vs. California
    Sept. 28 2:00 PM Washington vs. Colorado
    Sept. 30 1:30 PM USC vs. Arizona
    Sept. 30 1:30 PM Oregon State vs. California
    Sept. 30 1:30 PM Washington State vs. Colorado
    Oct. 1 7:00 PM UCLA vs. Arizona State
    Oct. 5 1:00 PM USC vs. Oregon State
    Oct. 5 1:00 PM Stanford vs. Utah
    Oct. 5 3:00 PM Arizona vs. Washington
    Oct. 7 12 Noon UCLA vs. Oregon State
    Oct. 11 7:00 PM Stanford vs. Arizona
    Oct. 12 1:00 PM USC vs. Washington State
    Oct. 12 1:00 PM Oregon vs. Utah
    Oct. 12 1:00 PM California vs. Arizona State
    Oct. 18 7:30 PM Washington State vs. Stanford
    Oct. 19 3:30 PM Arizona State vs. Oregon State
    Oct. 19 3:30 PM Washington vs. California
    Oct. 19 3:30 PM Utah vs. USC
    Oct. 21 5:30 PM Washington vs. Stanford
    Oct. 25 7:00 PM Oregon vs. Washington
    Oct. 25 7:00 PM Utah vs. Arizona State
    Oct. 26 3:00 PM California vs. UCLA
    Oct. 26 3:00 PM Colorado vs. Arizona
    Oct. 28 4:00 PM Colorado vs. Arizona State
    Oct. 28 6:00 PM Stanford vs. UCLA
    Nov. 2 2:00 PM UCLA vs. USC
    Nov. 2 2:00 PM Washington vs. Washington State
    Nov. 2 2:00 PM Utah vs. Colorado
    Nov. 2 4:00 PM Oregon State vs. Oregon
    Nov. 2 4:00 PM Arizona vs. Arizona State
    Nov. 4 11:00 AM Stanford vs. California

    Men's Soccer - Television Schedule
    Date Time (PT) Matchup
    Aug. 24 5:00 PM Gonzaga at Washington
    Aug. 24 7:00 PM New Mexico at UCLA
    Sept. 7 4:30 PM Central Florida at California
    Sept. 7 4:30 PM Tulsa at UCLA
    Sept. 9 2:00 PM UC-Irvine at UCLA
    Sept. 21 4:00 PM Loyola Marymount at Stanford
    Sept. 23 12 Noon Loyola Marymount at California
    Sept. 23 12 Noon UC-Irvine at Oregon State
    Sept. 23 12 Noon Seattle University at Washington
    Sept. 28 4:00 PM UCLA at Stanford
    Sept. 30 4:00 PM UCLA at California
    Sept. 30 4:00 PM Oregon State at Washington
    Oct. 4 7:00 PM California at Stanford
    Oct. 5 3:00 PM Oregon State at UCLA
    Oct. 8 7:00 PM Washington at UCLA
    Oct. 12 3:00 PM California at Washington
    Oct. 14 12 Noon Stanford at Washington
    Oct. 18 5:00 PM Oregon State at Stanford
    Oct. 19 1:00 PM Washington at California
    Oct. 21 3:00 PM Washington at Stanford
    Oct. 26 1:00 PM UCLA at Oregon State
    Oct. 28 2:00 PM San Diego State at Oregon State
    Oct. 29 7:00 PM UCLA at Washington
    Nov. 1 7:00 PM Stanford at UCLA
    Nov. 4 5:00 PM California at UCLA
    Nov. 9 2:00 PM Stanford at California
    Nov. 9 2:00 PM Washington at Oregon State
    Nov. 9 2:00 PM San Diego State at UCLA

    Women's Volleyball - Television Schedule
    Date Time (PT) Matchup
    Aug. 28 7:00 PM Jiangsu Chinese Team at USC
    Aug. 29 7:00 PM Jiangsu Chinese Team at UCLA
    Sept. 5 7:00 PM Jiangsu Chinese Team at Stanford
    Sept. 6 7:00 PM Jiangsu Chinese Team at California
    Sept. 12 7:00 PM Pepperdine at UCLA
    Sept. 18 7:00 PM Arizona State at Arizona
    Sept. 18 7:00 PM Washington State at Washington
    Sept. 19 7:00 PM California at Stanford
    Sept. 19 7:00 PM Oregon State at Oregon
    Sept. 19 7:00 PM Utah at Colorado
    Sept. 21 6:00 PM Washington State at Arizona State
    Sept. 21 6:00 PM Oregon at USC
    Sept. 21 6:00 PM Stanford at Utah
    Sept. 21 8:00 PM Oregon State at UCLA
    Sept. 26 7:00 PM UCLA at Washington
    Sept. 28 6:00 PM California at Arizona State
    Sept. 28 6:00 PM Colorado at Oregon State
    Sept. 28 6:00 PM USC at Washington
    Sept. 28 8:00 PM Utah at Oregon
    Sept. 30 11:30 AM USC at Washington State
    Sept. 30 11:30 AM Utah at Oregon State
    Sept. 30 11:30 AM California at Arizona
    Sept. 30 6:00 PM Stanford at Arizona State
    Oct. 3 7:00 PM Oregon at California
    Oct. 5 5:30 PM Oregon at Stanford
    Oct. 5 5:30 PM Arizona State at UCLA
    Oct. 5 5:30 PM Washington State at Colorado
    Oct. 5 7:30 PM Washington at Utah
    Oct. 7 2:00 PM Oregon State at Stanford
    Oct. 7 2:00 PM Arizona at UCLA
    Oct. 7 2:00 PM Washington at Colorado
    Oct. 7 4:00 PM Arizona State at USC
    Oct. 10 7:00 PM USC at Stanford
    Oct. 12 6:00 PM Washington State at Oregon
    Oct. 12 6:00 PM UCLA at Stanford
    Oct. 12 6:00 PM Arizona at Utah
    Oct. 12 8:00 PM USC at California
    Oct. 14 2:00 PM Washington State at Oregon State
    Oct. 14 2:00 PM UCLA at California
    Oct. 14 2:00 PM Arizona State at Utah
    Oct. 14 4:00 PM Arizona at Colorado
    Oct. 17 7:00 PM Utah at UCLA
    Oct. 19 6:00 PM Oregon at Arizona
    Oct. 19 6:00 PM Stanford at Washington
    Oct. 19 6:00 PM Utah at USC
    Oct. 19 8:00 PM Oregon State at Arizona State
    Oct. 21 11:00 AM Colorado at USC
    Oct. 21 11:00 AM Oregon State at Arizona
    Oct. 21 11:00 AM Stanford at Washington State
    Oct. 21 1:00 PM California at Washington
    Oct. 24 7:00 PM Arizona at Stanford
    Oct. 26 6:00 PM Washington at USC
    Oct. 26 6:00 PM Arizona at California
    Oct. 26 6:00 PM Oregon at Colorado
    Oct. 26 8:00 PM Washington State at UCLA
    Oct. 28 10:00 AM Oregon at Utah
    Oct. 28 12 Noon Washington at UCLA
    Oct. 28 12 Noon Arizona State at California
    Oct. 28 12 Noon Oregon State at Colorado
    Oct. 31 7:00 PM Colorado at Washington State
    Nov. 2 6:00 PM California at Oregon
    Nov. 2 6:00 PM USC at Arizona State
    Nov. 2 6:00 PM Colorado at Washington
    Nov. 2 8:00 PM UCLA at Arizona
    Nov. 4 11:00 AM Utah at Washington
    Nov. 4 11:00 AM California at Oregon State
    Nov. 4 11:00 AM USC at Arizona
    Nov. 4 1:00 PM Stanford at Oregon
    Nov. 8 6:00 PM Washington State at California
    Nov. 8 6:00 PM Arizona State at Oregon State
    Nov. 8 8:00 PM Washington at Stanford
    Nov. 20 TBD UCLA at Oregon
    Nov. 20 TBD USC at Oregon State
    Nov. 21 TBD Arizona at Washington State
    Nov. 21 TBD Arizona State at Washington
    Nov. 21 TBD Colorado at Stanford
    Nov. 23 TBD Oregon at Oregon State
    Nov. 23 TBD USC at UCLA
    Nov. 23 TBD Washington at Washington State
    Nov. 23 TBD Stanford at California
    Nov. 23 TBD Arizona at Arizona State
    Nov. 23 TBD Colorado at Utah
  18. Jul 23, 2012 #358 of 1671

    espnjason Armchair Referee

    Sep 30, 2008
    After combing through the whole schedule as posted by BusterAvis, I found a couple of things.

    1. There is only one instance where a third alternate channel is needed and that is November 4th at 11am. (Guess what else is on Sunday?) And that is assuming the main channel pulls its load.

    2. Between those three sports, only one game is on a Saturday (that I've noticed) - Women's Soccer August 25 @ 12 noon BYU v Utah. I'm uncertain if that intrudes into the Pac-12 football schedule.
  19. Jul 24, 2012 #359 of 1671

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    You do have to note, however, that Basketball, Baseball, and Softball seasons haven't started yet, and there will be a time some time in January/February when those three sports are added, with the currently mentioned sports still in full swing.

    The current schedule has been touted as "just the beginning", they are doing 850 events this year, with the wish to also televise the other 1440 events in coming years. The broadcast schedule could therefore almost triple in 1 or 2 years from now.

    Now, could they negotiate terms that they should come back when there is more sports in 2 years (and more bandwidth) and until then DirecTV will "pick and choose" which sports are put on a part time feed? I don't know. From what I gather it is still an "all or nothing" deal.

    And I am not so sure whether bandwidth even plays in the negotiations. I'm sure it is on the back of DirecTV's mind, and we all know what Sixto can see and want that bandwidth for precious basic HD, but I doubt that it would be a sticking point if they can agree to a price.

    At this moment it seems that Time Warner Cable in the Los Angeles area will have the main channel in HD, and the local channel in HD for this area. Comcast will do the same in Oregon with 2 HD channels.

    DirecTV can of course match that for each zipcode controlled DMA, but they would still have to carry all 7 networks. And keeping in mind that a displaced USC fan in Denver could just subscribe to the sports pack and see his favorite sports on FS West, they probably need to carry them CONUS, also for sports bar's sake.

    DirecTV might just have to give up the bandwidth for these channels. We'll see, I know a friend of mine will go surfing on his Dish if he can't watch his Washington State sports. :D - but then, it is quite unsure if he can do that on cable either, so he might just be screwed if DirecTV doesn't carry the networks.
  20. Jul 24, 2012 #360 of 1671

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Hold on. Sports bars (except maybe for a designated school bar in another city) don't give a rats ass about tennis or softball or even baseball in college sports. They want football and basketball. That is what drives them. There is no financial driver for directv to put seven channels on conus to cover those sports. And, as practically no cable system will have anything other than national and one regional (especially in HD as it appears many may be going with SD for regionals if they have them at all), where is the competition that would drive directv.

    To say it was on fox sports last year means little to directv. That is not their problem. That is the PAC 12's issue. What matters to directv is if customers would find programming elsewhere and if they carry the national channel with game only (even only football and basketball) or regionals on spot beam, they have matched the competition in all but the most fringe cases.

    On the same hand, they don't want to be shut out. That is a problem for directv. Not having a product that others do have is their issue, if it comes to that.

    But their is no real argument for all seven channels full time on conus. Golf and tennis don't cut it. Nor does potentially losing out on a Utah/Colorado baseball game.
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