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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Aug 8, 2012 #481 of 1671
    trainman

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    Sherman...
    I actually happened to see that about a week ago when I accidentally tuned to it and found that it wasn't blacked out, unlike other PTNW channels.

    Unless they've updated the message since then, the "good news" is the Viacom deal -- it's just Mike White giving a 2- or 3-minute talk about the deal and thanking DirecTV employees for their patience, and then it's looped repeatedly. You can try recording it if you're really curious, but there's probably no good reason to do so.
     
  2. Aug 8, 2012 #482 of 1671
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    Yeah.... a colleague indicated that he made the switch to TWC (he is a HUGE UCLA fan) and that the TWC representative on the phone said that DirecTV doesn't carry and will not carry the TWC Sportsnet channels for the Lakers, and will also not carry PAC12 Networks.

    They are most likely playing on inquiries done to DirecTV, where they got the standard "We do not carry that channel at this time" response, so in essence, they aren't really lying. :D

    The TWC reps are probably mis-using that information to get to their new customer signup quota. We here all know that it is still uncertain whether they will carry them of course, but from an outside view it could very well be propagandized as "DirecTV does not carry PAC12, come to TWC because we do!"
     
  3. Aug 8, 2012 #483 of 1671
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    Then when DirecTV has all the PAC 12 channels either full time or part time for games and TWC only has the SoCal channel and the national, oops!
     
  4. Aug 9, 2012 #484 of 1671
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    Yep. For now TWC is playing the game well though, as they KNOW DirecTV won't announce much until the last minute. DirecTV has changed their replies to customers from "we do not carry that channel at this time" to "we will have more news when the school year starts", indicating they don't want to lose any customers and that a deal may or may not be in the works.....

    But boy, are they taking their sweet time or what! :D
     
  5. Aug 9, 2012 #485 of 1671
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    I think/feel as we get closer to the end of August when CFB kicks off we'll have some sort of announcement. DirecTV wants to get through the Olympics (2 channels), PGA Championship, and the laumnch of the 5 new channels. Then DirecTV and Pac12 Nets can build up a campaign nationwide about having the Pac 12 Nets across the country and how well the Pac did in the Olympics etc. I could envision an ad like we see now stating that D* has YES network, NFL Sunday Ticket etc...but now adding in "All 7 Pac 12 channels."
     
  6. Aug 9, 2012 #486 of 1671
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    Not feeling it. No reason to hold back on that campaign if that were the plan. They could be saying now "see swimmer x, watch them on the PAC 12 channel(s), coming august 15."

    I think they still don't have an agreement. It is a very complicated deal for a satellite company.
     
  7. Aug 9, 2012 #487 of 1671
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    On the Olympics thing.... it is actually amazing how many Olympians have come from UCLA, USC, and UOO combined! The latter obviously excelling in Track and Field. PAC12 is supplying a lot of the athletes.

    On the "2 Olympics Channels" thing: They are temporary. Just like they add channels for all the major golf and tennis tournaments, they have bandwidth for that. Usually, they just use a few PPV slots for this stuff, it doesn't take away bandwidth nor impede the launching of any permanent network.
     
  8. Aug 9, 2012 #488 of 1671
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    Yeah I don't think they have come to terms yet either. But I don't think it is any more complicated to make the DEAL then it is for cable companies. Their distribution is different afterwards, but that is more a technology question then a contractual question. DirecTV's footprint is a lot larger, but cable companies are also offering the networks on the east coast, so that should not be too much different.

    I think the deal is mostly going to be about money. Not about anything else.
     
  9. Aug 9, 2012 #489 of 1671
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    You can't separate the two. The distribution drives the deal.

    We have no idea how cable systems are offering out of market. It is all still smoke and mirrors. I seriously doubt I will see anything of the PAC 12 beyond the national channel available non-satellite here. Fios has no deal yet and Comcast is very vague out of market and is usually bad on these things.
     
  10. Aug 9, 2012 #490 of 1671
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    Time Warner Cable Hawaii (completely out of PAC12 range) will offer the main channel in HD, and all 6 sub channels (as part of the sports pack) in SD.

    The full announcement:

    "Statewide, on or about August 16, Pac-12 National Network Ch. 232, Pac-12 Network HD Ch. 1232 and Pac-12 Regional Networks (Los Angeles Ch. 233, Bay Area Ch. 234, Washington Ch. 235, Oregon Ch. 236, Arizona Ch. 237, and Mountain Ch. 238) will be on the Sports Pass tier."

    Since every local market cable provider divisions have their own website and responsibility to update them, it is a bit hard to find out information, but at least 1 division outside of the PAC12 regions will show all channels.

    TWC within the PAC12 areas will do something like this, copied from the SoCal division:

    "On or after August 15, 2012, PAC 12 Los Angeles and PAC 12 Los Angeles HD will be made available to customers with subscription to the Variety tier. PAC 12 National and PAC 12 National HD will be made available to customers with subscription to the TWC Sports Pass. These services will be delivered in a digital format only; two-way compatible digital cable ready equipment, such as a digital set-top box or CableCARD-equipped UDCP used in conjunction with a Tuning Adapter, required."

    The biggest difference for satellite operators is that in order to offer the current model, they will have to broadcast the regional network in HD to all regions within the PAC12 network, plus the national network, and in all practical sense that would mean 7 CONUS transponder slots.

    From a logistical point of view they could "match" cable by doing zipcode checks on the regional channel (just like a RSN, you only get it for "free" with your basic channel package if you live in a certain region), and the main network in the sports pack.... and NO access to any of the other regional network, or they could indeed be "better" than cable by offering the regional in HD for "free", and all other channels in Sports Pack.

    It's really more an organizational/financial question at this point though I think, not really a technical/bandwidth question any more. In other words, how are we going to offer these channels to our customers, and in which packages.
     
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    may main network choice in market areas and choice extra out of it + your regional network and have all regional networks in sports pack.

    The sport bars would like to be able to show all feeds.
     
  12. Aug 9, 2012 #492 of 1671
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    I don't think that will be an issue if DirecTV does decide to carry all networks.

    Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Stanford vs Maryland field hockey on Sunday Aug, 26th, but there is a decent chance we won't have the networks at that point yet.
     
  13. Aug 9, 2012 #493 of 1671
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    Nearly all games were televised before.
     
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    I get that, but now with this new network, that won't happen.
     
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    Oh, they'll be televised now.....we just won't necessarily get them or have the option to get them!:hurah:
     
  16. Aug 10, 2012 #496 of 1671
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    I corrected your statement. There is more sports beyond handegg. :D
     
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    Not much financially. Maybe bounce egg. But as conference realignments have proven, football by far is the money king and the driver in college sports.
     
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    Oh yeah it is the big money maker, followed by Basketball and then Baseball. But I do believe that PAC12 is planning to air more sports than they were before, utilizing the regional RSN's. I, for one, never saw a PAC 12 field hockey game on TV before, my coverage was limited to the U.S. National team playing international games, and the Olympics.

    Not that I would watch it every week or something, but I wouldn't mind catching a game or two every so often. There is not MUCH money in these games, no. A little advertising, the cheap sort, that is about it. But it is cool that PAC12 is planning on airing a lot more different sports besides football.

    Football will draw the crowds for sure, and that will be their bread and butter and big money makers. But their plans luckily do include live coverage of many other sports. We won't see much of that until their actual seasons start of course.
     
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    That is actually quite interesting because the cost of producing those games seems to outweigh the value of them. Not sure where their return comes from. The driver for systems picking up the channels is not handball or the like.
     
  20. Aug 10, 2012 #500 of 1671
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    Yeah, I have no idea how much it takes to produce say.... a field hockey game. I would imagine they don't have the 32 HD camera's like with the Olympics that can follow every player on the team, but maybe have..... 4 or so.

    But they are also planning to show stuff through online streams. There won't be a lot of advertising with that either. I would guess there is enough revenue coming in to produce them. And maybe it isn't as expensive as we think, again, this isn't a football production with before/halftime/after shows, likely the field hockey will have a commentator and 3 or 4 cameras, and maybe a producer that will act as backup commentator. In short: 1 van. :D
     
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