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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Aug 12, 2012 #541 of 1671
    sigma1914

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    Agreed.
    I'd send a detailed email to ellen.filipiak@directv.com as she is Vice President for Customer Service. The jerk represents DirecTV.
     
  2. Aug 12, 2012 #542 of 1671
    kick4fun

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    Thank you for the email address. That's exactly what I'm going to do. I can describe everything except the person's name. I certainly love Directv and this isolated incident doesn't change that, but I certainly want them to know.
     
  3. Aug 12, 2012 #543 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    Will they lock you onto a contract? If not, you could always call them next week, and once installed just suspend DIRECTV instead of cancel if their is no agreement yet, and then you'd have up to six months for them to actually get the channels up before you'll need to actually cancel. And them you would not miss any games either.
     
  4. Aug 12, 2012 #544 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    I think you may be right...
     
  5. Aug 12, 2012 #545 of 1671
    donm

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    I might do this and there is no contract. This way I might not even need to break my Directv contract which isn't that long. Thanks good idea.
     
  6. Aug 12, 2012 #546 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    A the very least you could probably in suspend your account after the season to finish out your contract, but I suspect there will be an agreement.
     
  7. Aug 12, 2012 #547 of 1671
    WebTraveler

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    I doubt that. First, the Pac 12 and Directv have done deals with several providers....Pac 12 is relatively new, but Directv has been at the game for a long time. They both know really quickly what terms will or will not be in any agreement. I cannot believe the Comcast contracts are way different than what Directv would have.

    My take is that the holdups are the following:

    - 7 dedicated channels
    - tier the channels are on
    - discounts Directv will get for taking Pac 12 national
    - discounts Directv will get by providing access to 85% of nationwide sports bars.
    - how streaming rights work in all of this - Directv owns no cable or DSL wires so if it does not carry all 7 channels then it's partner phone companies may get saddled with a lot of streaming traffic that they are not getting any compensation for

    Just my take.
     
  8. Aug 12, 2012 #548 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    The very nature of satellite versus cable makes the deal much more complicated. The model used for cable doesn't work and there has never been anything like the PAC 12 venture with so many channels and different regions and a ton of streaming. Because of the very things you point out us exactly why it would take more scrutiny at every level.
     
  9. Aug 13, 2012 #549 of 1671
    superdeluxe

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    P12 will have much better content and games for the season than either the BTN or Bevo Network.
     
  10. Aug 13, 2012 #550 of 1671
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    Looking like the cable companies conspired to make this difficult for DirecTV. Can't say I'm surprised. I've always been screwed when it comes to watching my local teams here in rural Oregon. Satellite is the only option.
     
  11. Aug 13, 2012 #551 of 1671
    JoeTheDragon

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    the partner phone companies and the cable co's bill you for data over your cap.
     
  12. Aug 13, 2012 #552 of 1671
    superdeluxe

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    What? Interesting, do you have a link to the story/information?
     
  13. Aug 13, 2012 #553 of 1671
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    The only thing I have heard so far is one (or more) TWC representative claiming that DirecTV won't carry PAC12, but I believe that he said so just to rake in a client. (This per a colleague.)

    I don't believe there is a conspiracy going on here.... what do you base this on?
     
  14. Aug 13, 2012 #554 of 1671
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    Interesting write up on the network from Jon Wilner. A few things of note in the article, as has been mentioned before the Pac 12 owns the entire network it's not owned by any of the CableCos. It also mentions that many "insdiers" feel that DirecTV and Pac 12 nets will work out a deal for the channel(s).

    I know we are getting close to the begining of the season, but I think we need to wait and see the new "5" HD channels launch, one of which I don't know if we can call it new since it will be replacing GolTV with basically the same content. DirecTV has a lot of cleanup to do this week with the end of the Olympics and the PGA channels. If we don't start hearing more by mid-week next week then I will feel a bit more frustrated.
     
  15. Aug 13, 2012 #555 of 1671
    maartena

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    You would be wrong. For instance, when DirecTV carries these channels, it is pretty much available nationwide to every square foot of the U.S. that has electricity and a clear LOS to the southern sky.

    Comcast has "fixed" networks, and may decide to not include a lot of east coast markets in the deal. Currently, the cable providers carry the REGIONAL network for everyone in a "basic" type package, and the NATIONAL channel is carried in a Sports Pack of some sort, and as such most cable outlets have to provide 2 channels, where they do not have to provide the other 5 channels to other markets. Some markets do (such as Hawaii), but most don't.

    When DirecTV offers the channels, it will most likely be all 7, with the REGIONAL channel in a "basic" channel (most likely based on zipcode just like RSN's) and the NATIONAL channel, along with the other regionals, in a sports package. But that alone is a more complicated setup, as DirecTV would have to implement another zipcode check to determine which markets may receive what for "free", and which markets need to get Sports Pack to get it. Markets like Las Vegas, which are very sports heavy on what they get (usually everything California/Arizona, as they have no majors, and not big universities), and markets like Hawaii (where TWC decided to give people ALL networks) could be points of discussion in what is a "market".

    DirecTV also has another type of clientele. Sports bars. Now I am not entirely sure how much leverage that would have with PAC12 (as in "if you don't agree with our terms, look at all the sports bars you have that will lose out!") but I am pretty sure that it has SOME influence to this deal.

    It is very well known most sports bars (90%+ I am guessing) has DirecTV. Mainly of course for NFL Sunday Ticket which is not available anywhere else, but also for the fact they carry most sports of all providers outside that.

    That fact alone might make it more challenging to come to a deal, as PAC12 knows DirecTV gathers a pretty penny from their commercial/sports bar type customers.

    Overall, I think the deal between a satellite provider and a company that offers 6 REGIONAL networks and 1 NATIONAL, is a lot more complicated. As a matter of fact, PAC12 never really had to think about "market borders" either really because that was determined by the RSN's they previously supplied their sports to.

    So yes... it is a bit more complicated than a cable deal.
     
  16. Aug 13, 2012 #556 of 1671
    HGuardian

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    Just guessing but I'm thinking the Pac-12 Network will look a lot like Big 10 Network when it's on Directv. 1 national full-time channel with surrounding part-time channels just carrying live feeds of games and nothing else.
     
  17. Aug 13, 2012 #557 of 1671
    donm

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    I don't think the Pac 12 would go for that. There is to much content that is going to be different on each regional like coach's show etc.
     
  18. Aug 13, 2012 #558 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    Didn't they say that all the shows like that would be available everywhere, like on the national channel.

    That would be completely stupid if you only get coaches shows from your local region.

    Yes, yes, I know, there are claims that you can get the other regional channels out of market, but if they are that segregated, then they have lost the idea of a CONFERENCE network. I don't think that is what they are aiming for.
     
  19. Aug 13, 2012 #559 of 1671
    donm

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    I don't think so. For example the Oregon regional will only carry the UO & OSU coach's show or any other show produced by those schools. These would be weekly shows that the other regionals mostly wouldn't want to even see. We will have to see how they handle it but that is what I understood from reading the info.
     
  20. Aug 13, 2012 #560 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    Wont want to see? Ha!
     
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