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  1. Aug 13, 2012 #561 of 1671
    maartena

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    PAC12 has a different model than BIG10.

    BIG10 has a lot more online coverage, where as PAC12 is going for as much television coverage as possible. For instance, Field Hockey games within the BIG10 conference are being shown via BTN2Go, the online streaming service of BIG10, where PAC12 is planning on showing (for now, some of) the games on their television channels. Another example is wrestling. BIG10 will show wrestling games on television, but won't be able to show them live due to scheduling conflicts, and thus tape-delays them. PAC12 is designed in such a way that as little as possible tape-delays are needed.

    The TV model is also completely different. PAC12 offers complete, 24/7 programming regional channels, where BIG10 only offers feeds of certain sports to be shown part-time besides the main network. (Mostly football, maybe some basketball).

    PAC12 is going to utilize a more "RSN-Like" model, with the MAIN focus on the regional networks, and the national network really being the secondary, backup network, where BIG10 is focusing on the 1 network with extra feeds. Hence, the REGIONAL networks are offered by PAC12 for inclusion in a "basic" type package where the NATIONAL network is offered for inclusion in a "sports" type package, and as such they are trying to guarantee that a sportsfan that previously saw their games on an already-included RSN won't pay more money, and they will get the regional PAC12 in the same basic package the RSN already was in.

    It is a bold, unprecedented approach.... and it is sort of "set in stone" now that they have pretty much full coverage of the PAC12 geographical region by signing on pretty much every cable provider known to service those areas. Charter I think is the biggest cable provider not yet signed on. They hold about 5% of the Los Angeles market, not sure about other areas.... so in the Southwest they aren't a big player, but they may be very big elsewhere.
     
  2. Aug 13, 2012 #562 of 1671
    maartena

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    I think that is going to be the case with the majority of the produced shows, yes.... Although I think that a "UCLA Spotlight: Baseball" or something would air on the REGIONAL channel the exact same time the "Stanford Spotlight: Baseball" show would air on their regional, with repeats vice-verse later on so everyone can catch the shows. The current schedule seems to do just this with the "preview" shows airing right before soccer and field hockey games.

    The biggest difference is going to be live sports. And not just football and basketball, but all sports. With 850 planned events in the first year and another 1440 in the pipeline if things go well, it is going to be impossible to manage all the "temporary game feeds". Sure, DirecTV can "pick and choose" which games are important, such as football and basketball, and leave it like that.... but from a technical point of view its a bit harder to manage temporary game feeds, instead of just leaving the channel up and running, as it costs manpower, resource planning, etc.

    Programming difference I have noticed so far, comparing the SoCal and Norcal regionals.

    On August 24th, 5:00 PM.... SoCal regional network will air live Men's Soccer, where the Norcal network will air live Women's field hockey. That same field hockey game will be repeated on the Socal network on Sunday the 26th. On the same day, the 26th, NorCal regional will show a live Field hockey game in the morning, while SoCal will show women's Soccer live. Then, in the afternoon, both matches are replayed, and reversed by network so SoCal will air the replay of the hockey game, and NorCal will air the replay of the soccer game. All these games are preceded by "Field Hockey Preview" and "Soccer Preview" shows, which are in turn also reversed later on in the day. On Friday the 31st and Sat. the 1st, similar things happen: Different soccer games are aired LIVE on the SoCal and NorCal networks, and the replay is done the next day, again, reversing the 2 games over the networks.

    Now, I have only really closely compared the SoCal and NorCal schedules, and it should be noted that Football, Soccer, and Fieldhockey are the only three sports that kick off in the 3d week of August. Sports like Basketball, Baseball, Softball, Track/Field/Swimming/Wrestling, etc, etc.... haven't started yet, and the schedules for the regional networks might start to look a lot more interesting at that time. And then DirecTV really can't manage "game only feeds" any longer.
     
  3. Aug 13, 2012 #563 of 1671
    maartena

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    Sn Jose Mercury college sports blogger has a new article up:

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...cope-changing-the-athlete-and-fan-experience/

    Some interesting tidbits:

    "At this point, the Pac-12 Networks don’t have carriage agreements with either of the major satellite operators, DirecTV or Dish Network. But negotiations are ongoing and commissioner Larry Scott is optimistic a deal will be struck with at least one of the satellite carriers.

    Media industry sources believe DirecTV, with its reliance on sports programming, is far more likely than Dish to come to terms."


    and:

    "Every football and men’s basketball game not broadcast by ESPN or Fox will be shown live on the Pac-12 Networks – with all but a handful beamed nationally."

    combined with this:

    "(Last year alone, five Pac-12 football games and 90 men’s basketball games weren’t televised anywhere.)"

    College hoops fans are going to be particularly pleased with these networks then.
     
  4. Aug 13, 2012 #564 of 1671
    David Ortiz

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    I don't think that word means what you think it means. ;)

    There are over 2400 MLB games in a season and DIRECTV shows dual feeds of the majority of them. The MLB Extra Innings channels show games only.

    The satellite situation is very interesting. The national channel seems to be purely redundant; I doubt it would ever show anything that wasn't simulcast on at least one of the regional channels. I can see 7 dedicated channel numbers on DIRECTV's system, with regional channels being "game only" and any channel showing the same game simply being remapped to the same feed. Hopefully we'll see very soon how it all shakes out.
     
  5. Aug 13, 2012 #565 of 1671
    maartena

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    Perhaps indeed. But a good many of those feeds are simply copies of what the RSN already provides, and the RSN is often a 24/7 permanent channel. (Not always, there are a number of part-time RSN's).

    With this situation we aren't talking about channels that are already there, and feeds copied over to different stations/channels for additional coverage (such as a part-time RSN or MLB Extra Innings), but for feeds that might not be shown on any channel, and need a place.

    Additionally, MLB imposes strict blackout rules, which DirecTV needs to adhere to, meaning they really have no choice to do a lot of manual input/labor to get things right. Occasionally, a MLB game lasts SO long, that there is no extra time padded to the end and the feed goes black when it should not yet have. College sports is not subjected to any blackouts, and could just be launched in a sports pack for full coverage. So there is also a lot less need to manage all the feeds. For DirecTV, putting bandwidth requirements aside for a moment, it might actually be cheaper in manpower and resources etc, to have channels up 24/7, instead of having to manage when what field hockey game plays on what channel, etc..... especially with low-in-demand-sports like field hockey.

    Yeah, the national channel will show the games dubbed "important", where the regional games will play the regional games. So on a big football day you could have 6 games (I don't think they actually scheduled 6 games at the exact same time though, so this is a theory), 12 teams playing, with each regional game being shown on their individual networks..... then, a national feed for SOME games will be available on ABC/ESPN, and the national channel for PAC12 can just pick one of the 6 games and show the one that isn't national. That way PAC12 fans would have at least 3 games to choose from, if they are on cable and have just the REGIONAL and the MAIN network.

    On satellite..... you'll get all of the games if they choose to carry all 7 and you have Sports Pack. And that of course is an assumption.

    Yep, interesting indeed.
     
  6. Aug 13, 2012 #566 of 1671
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    Will the PAC12 have alt feeds for in market RSN's?

    Alt feeds for the NATIONAL feed? (for cable systems)

    Cable likely may not get the same setup the dish / directv.
     
  7. Aug 13, 2012 #567 of 1671
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    All I know now is that there are 7 full-time feeds right now. Time Warner Cable Hawaii has opted to show all 7 as they are out of any PAC12 market, but have a pretty good college following due to the lack of any pro teams as well. But they are not showing all 7 feeds (as far as I know) in the PAC12 market areas.

    Here's another interesting blog entry from the San Jose Mercury dude:

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...networks-updates-on-comcast-twc-cox-and-more/

    It outlines how some of the cable providers are handling the multiple feeds and regionals.

    Cox subscribers in Las Vegas are quite pissed off they are only getting the national network, as Las Vegas is one of those towns that quadrupled in size over the last 20 years with MANY coming from Calirornia and Arizona, creating a very missed fan base.

    Would be nice for DirecTV though, if they can carry all networks, they probably get a few new subs in Las Vegas.
     
  8. Aug 13, 2012 #568 of 1671
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    I don't think the cable companies have anything to do with the format that the PAC 12 wanted to go with. They came up with a plan and asked cable companies to back it, which they did.
     
  9. Aug 13, 2012 #569 of 1671
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    There is no need for alternate feeds. The way they have set everything up is to simply have everything they are ever going to show on one of the six channels, with the national channel simulcasting or replaying whatever feed from one of the six regional ones they deem worthy at that moment.
     
  10. Aug 13, 2012 #570 of 1671
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    I believe you hit the nail on the head, to a point. The national channel I believe is designed to be available to all ur of market areas. I still wonder if we don't see DIRECTV simply pick up all six regional feeds, make them all available in every local market, and make them all available in the sports pack for all other markets, and skip the national channel entirely. That doesn't make much sense for cable, but it makes a lot of sense for sat.

    The more I have thought about it, the more I don't think we will see any part time channels, unless DIRECTV and pac12 can agree that all the non game programing will have plenty of coverage and accessibility via the web site.
     
  11. Aug 13, 2012 #571 of 1671
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    Via Google Alerts, "TV Everywhere":

    Time Warner adding the Pac-12 Network ..... in Cincinnati.
    • On the 'sports pass' package.
    • Said subscribers will access all seven channels live and on-demand via TV Everywhere.

    Now Cincinnati already has two respectable schools of their own, University of Cincinnati and Xavier. Aside from that, Cincy is at the crossroads of Big Ten and SEC territories.

    Why was the Pac-12 Network added on the TWC system there? I dunno. But it seems like a modest arrangement from what I've read in the article.

    Article here
     
  12. Aug 13, 2012 #572 of 1671
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    So they are getting the national network and streaming for all else.
     
  13. Aug 13, 2012 #573 of 1671
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    Too bad for the Insight customers though, that is the Northern Kentucky area. They recently lost NFL Network since Time Warner doesn't carry it, so they are getting a raw deal so far. But overall it doesn't seem to make much sense unless other markets are getting it.
     
  14. Aug 13, 2012 #574 of 1671
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    I think cable providers pay to carry the network for all their subscribers but have the freedom to carry it where they want. Another article mentioned that Cox had the rights for all its subscribers but opted not to carry the networks on various cable networks outside the PAC12 region. Angering, among others, Las Vegas residents, most of which wanted at least the local California networks, but are only getting the National.

    Perhaps enough people demanded the channel in Cincinnati for TWC to carry them.
     
  15. Aug 13, 2012 #575 of 1671
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    Kinda seems a natural to me. Big Ten fans think of the PAC 12 as their sister conference. Not just the Rose Bowl but they had plans until about a month ago to play games in football and basketball between the two conferences. That plan may have been some of the driver even though it is now on hold.
     
  16. Aug 13, 2012 #576 of 1671
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    Real sports fans in Las Vegas likely have directv and directv has CSN CA and CSN BA feeds. + Diamondbacks with sports pack.

    And the sports books all have directv. Now this is why directv needs all the feeds.
     
  17. Aug 13, 2012 #577 of 1671
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    Quick update, I wrote a nice letter to Ellen Filipiak and copied Mike White. Not only did a get the letter to circulate the offices, I received a phone call from one of Mike White's assistants as well as a personal email from Mike White himself. AWESOME. In my letter I must have said PAC 12 Networks at least a dozen times. :) I hope that not only does the jerk get fired, Pac 12 networks stuck in his head.. I know wishful thinking, but fun nevertheless to get the attention.
     
  18. Aug 13, 2012 #578 of 1671
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    That article confirms that Time Warner will NOT be getting the HD channel for the Pac 12 Network in Cincinnati. It says it will be on Channel 345 in Cincinnati. The channels in the 300's in Time Warner Cincinnati are all standard definition (the HD channels are in the 1000's for Time Warner in Cincinnati).

    It makes you wonder. If DirecTV just gets the National Channel as well, will it only be standard definition (and not HD) like Time Warner?

    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2012/08/13/time-warner-adding-pac-12-network/
     
  19. Aug 13, 2012 #579 of 1671
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    I doubt that. Directv has made every sports channel available in hd if it exists. Sometimes the hd is game only but they are all hd.
     
  20. Aug 13, 2012 #580 of 1671
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    HD channel in existence like CSN-Philly???
     
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